Why Do We Spend $34 Billion in Alternative Medicine?

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ABC News poses the question "Why do we spend $34 Billion on Alternative Medicine"? According to the article, "The National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced Thursday that Americans spent $34 billion on complementary and alternative medicine in 2007".

Their coverage is fairly objective with a lean in favor of alternative medicine. There isn't much we can do to change the stories covered by ABC News, but we can add comments to offered a more balanced perspective.
 
Only reason I can think of, and it's at least part of the answer is that despite what they say, people like to waste money. Especially on comfort stuff that makes 'em feel "better".
 
Most of the comments support alternative medicine. "Big pharma..." and "it works because it worked for me..." and "the wisdom of Chinese medicine".

I was hoping somebody smarter and more confident than me would add some skeptical comments.
 
The funniest part is that when some effect is verified and we find out why it works, it becomes a drug. It's no longer alternative and needs to be regulated because dosing and side effects need to standardized and regulated. Then safety and efficacy need to be verified at the varying doses so people are not over and under dosed.

This causes alties to scream that "big pharma" stole their stuff. They are then stuck with marketing the usual junk that is proven to not work and trying to convince people to buy it. They can be very very creative and do rather well by being hypocrital and using conspiracies to attack people selling legitimized products.

It's a very sad cycle that seems unstoppable.
 
But of course the real problem is that there's no money in safe, gentle SCAM. None of the manufacturers or practitioners can afford to do any proper trials to produce the evidence of efficacy, because trials such as the pharmaceutical industry has to do on its products cost too much money. These people are pretty much running charity operations, they don't have any money to spare.

If only there was money in alternative medicine, it would all be so different! Then they could fund proper trials, and we'd all see the real evidence.

Oh, wait.... :oldroll:

Rolfe.
 
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Are they cheaper than drugs? After reading some of the UHC threads anything cheap that promised results would be a draw. The fact we get better on our own doesn't mean much, people want stuff there and then.

It would be interesting to see who are actually buying the things. i.e what economic group etc.
 
Depends on what "drugs". Paracetamol is about 60p for a pack of 32 pills. Homoeopathic remedies are about a fiver a pop.

Rolfe.
 
Depends on what "drugs". Paracetamol is about 60p for a pack of 32 pills. Homoeopathic remedies are about a fiver a pop.

Rolfe.

£5!! Bloody hell, what idiot pays for that? So more expensive than the normal cold remedies, which I presume is there main use. I have very little knowledge of Homoepathic remedies and have little idea of their common usages to be fair.

p.s I was meaning like for like.
 
A lot of people like the easy way out. Just look at Bernie Madoff, people didn’t see just giving him part of their life savings as a potential to make some astounding interest on that part, they saw it as losing potential interest on whatever they did not invest with him. Risk assessment seems to go right out the window for some if you just make things seem easy enough for them. So for some I imagine what alternative medicine offers is the lack of that perception that you are losing something by not completely investing in it. In other words most established treatments have costs (other then just monetary) in time, effort, restrictions, side effects and potential risks. Alternative medicines are presented with out the risk assessment information that law generally mandates for standard medication and treatments. Also the gibberish spouted by proponents of alternative medicine probably makes about as much sense to some people as informational inserts you find with standard medication, however the latter must also include potential risks and side effects while the former does not.



“Surgery, a hospital stay, a period of convalescence and a lifetime of anti-rejection medication, who needs it ? Just take this natural and organic 100C solution that has been sitting in a magnetic field to entangle its quantum properties with that needed to revitalize and detoxify your liver and you’ll be just fine. You can just mix it with your libation of choice and keep right on drinking. That way the quantum memory aspect of your preferred libation is instilled into the solution helping it to detoxify you.”



“Will that be cash, check or charge?”
 
Hm. Yes, and "big pharma" charges MONEY for their stuff! Altie medicine is much better and friendlier and nicer and all cute and fluffy.

Oh wait... alt medicine is cutely and fluffily MARKED up much higher than real medicine after considering overhead and material costs. That is really very CUTE!
 
I find myself reminded of the South Park episode featuring holistic medicine practioner Miss Information. :D
 
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Define "like".... :nope:

Rolfe.

:o

What I mean is if someone is stood in a pharmacy and is faced with a range of "medicines" for a relatively minor condition cost will start to be a factor.


It may not be a case of a massive belief in woo, but a case of marketing over substance.
 
Because there is a sucker born every minute.
Frankly, no matter what form Health Care reform takes, I do not want ONE cent of my tax money going to "alternative medicine". People can waste their own money if they want, but not mine.....
 
A Norwegian saying goes that "the world wants to be cheated" ("verden vil bedras"). As was stated, these people don't want the truth. They don't select for truth, they select for good news. Recently I overloaded my knee climbing and went to my doctor, who just told me to not do any more climbing until my knee had gotten better.

An alternative doctor would've been all over the poor joint with herbs, homeopathic salves, crystals and faith healing. I perfectly well understand the appeal of that.
 
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What I mean is if someone is stood in a pharmacy and is faced with a range of "medicines" for a relatively minor condition cost will start to be a factor.


It may not be a case of a massive belief in woo, but a case of marketing over substance.


But it's not like that in my experience. Real medicine is in one place, and woo-woo is in a different place. Homoeopathy in particular, since the remedies are typically sold without any indication on them (or more recently with a list of relatively disconnected indications), is all together on a shelf on its own. You won't find homoeopathic arnica on the shelf beside healing creams, or belladonna beside the headache pills.

£5 a bottle for whatever remedy you choose (well they're all the same anyway) was about standard say five years ago. 80 little sugar pills, "Contents: sucrose". (The pharmacy I use now doesn't keep them at all as far as I've seen.) Many OTC remedies cost less than that. But it's only the woo-woos who will choose from the homoeopathy shelf.

Rolfe.
 
Recently I overloaded my knee climbing and went to my doctor, who just told me to not do any more climbing until my knee had gotten better.
An altie wouldn't believe that. Doctors are pill pushers, doncha know. You should have gotten some codeine for that!

An alternative doctor would've been all over the poor joint with herbs, homeopathic salves, crystals and faith healing.

Well yeah. As long as it doesn't involve a PILL or CHEMICALS, it's all good!
 
The funniest part is that when some effect is verified and we find out why it works, it becomes a drug. It's no longer alternative and needs to be regulated because dosing and side effects need to standardized and regulated. Then safety and efficacy need to be verified at the varying doses so people are not over and under dosed.

This causes alties to scream that "big pharma" stole their stuff. They are then stuck with marketing the usual junk that is proven to not work and trying to convince people to buy it. They can be very very creative and do rather well by being hypocrital and using conspiracies to attack people selling legitimized products.

I'm curious. First you are saying Natural health is junk medicine and doesn't work and then you admit that pharma follows their lead and markets their therapies. So which is it? You can't have it both ways. I find it odd that this is the major complaint....Naturopathic practice just doesn't work. If it doesn't work then why is modern medicine stealing its practices? where do you think modern medicine got its start if not from herbs? Oddly, for every claim that it doesn't work pharma and the medical establishment keeps adopting the nonsensical therapies that naturopaths have been using for centuries.
 
where do you think modern medicine got its start if not from herbs?

Modern chemistry got its start from alchemy, too. That doesn't mean that alchemy "works."

Ethnobotany is a major research area in the pharmacy industry -- basically, looking at various plants in various parts of the world and seeing what, if anything, they do. Anything that shows the possibility of useful activity on a small-scale bioassay is brought back to the lab for further testing and refinement.

This doesn't, however, validate the use of "herbs" in medicine. Not only are most herbs useless, but the irony is that many of the "new" drugs found are used for something completely different than their traditional usage. (E.g., a plant with hand-shaped leaves might be used "traditionally" via the doctrine of signatures to treat arthritis, but the chemists find that it's actually useful for kidney function.) And, of course, most traditional drugs are either useless or far inferior to the drugs we've already got. (A classic example of that is willow bark, which is inferior in all respects to aspirin, ibuprofen, or acetomenophen.)

If one "traditional" effect in a thousand is actually found to be safe and effective, I think it's quite reasonable to characterize traditional medicine as a whole as "junk." A teaspoon of wine in a barrel of sewage is still not something I would want to drink.
 

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