Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

[bill smith]

Crackamite, ok.

I did not know the trade name.
Will BS propose it as a candidate??

What about ' Mackeyite ' ? Although I generally use that title to describe a follower of the great Ryan Mackey just as I use ' Wiekling ' to describe a follower of the not-so-great Ron Wieke.

 

[Edx]

There are silent "explosives", it is some liquid that hardends and then expand to burst stone.
I assume it can be usefull when "blasting" rock away for foundations in build up areas.

Ive had a look at them but they arent actually explosives though.

 

[WildCat]

They fell straight down, but the explosions blew debris well outside of the footprint.

What sort of explosion can blow debris that far without making any noise?

 

[bill smith]

What sort of explosion can blow debris that far without making any noise?

Well some pieces weighing 4 tons or more were found about 600 feet away. That's two football fields end-to-end so we have to assume that something powered their flight there. Explosives seem to be the obvious candidate so now all we have to do is prove that the audio is doctored. I have to tell you that that will be less of a problem than you think.

It's best left for later though because that's the final trench that you debunkers are heading for.

 

[A W Smith]

trench this

Well some pieces weighing 4 tons or more were found about 600 feet away. That's two football fields end-to-end so we have to assume that something powered their flight there. Explosives seem to be the obvious candidate so now all we have to do is prove that the audio is doctored. I have to tell you that that will be less of a problem than you think.

It's best left for later though because that's the final trench that you debunkers are heading for.

when a giant radio tower falls, what force propels its top hundreds of feet from its footprint?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Well some pieces weighing 4 tons or more were found about 600 feet away. That's two football fields end-to-end so we have to assume that something powered their flight there. Explosives seem to be the obvious candidate so now all we have to do is prove that the audio is doctored. I have to tell you that that will be less of a problem than you think.

It's best left for later though because that's the final trench that you debunkers are heading for.

Bill,

If someone pushed you out of their way which way would you be going & how far would you go when you were pushed?

A: In the direction they pushed you & you'd be pushed back several feet.

Same thing when the Towers collapsed, the steel got pushed out of the way. No explosives needed!

Of course, in your La-La Land, physics doesn't exist.

 

[bill smith]

Bill,

If someone pushed you out of their way which way would you be going & how far would you go when you were pushed?

A: In the direction they pushed you & you'd be pushed back several feet.

Same thing when the Towers collapsed, the steel got pushed out of the way. No explosives needed!

Of course, in your La-La Land, physics doesn't exist.

If some big man pushed me off the roof of WTC1 I might travel outwards seven feet or so depending on how hard he pushed me. Then gravity would take over and I would fall staight down. No stopping at go, no 200 dollars. Straight down. The same with the building components. It was close to freefall remember and no jolt to throw anything to the side.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

If some big man pushed me off the roof of WTC1 I might travel outwards seven feet or so depending on how hard he pushed me. Then gravity says I would fall staight down. No stopping at go, no 200 dollars. Straight down. The same with the building components. It was close to freefall remember and no jolt to throw anything to the side.

Billy,

You're forgetting the force that can affect a person falling, air resistence.

It wasn't close to free fall, unless you're suggesting that rockets were attached at some point when it was collasping.

No jolt? Explain the 110 floors that could cause the steel to push out & away Billy. You just admitted that the steel was pushed about 600 feet! So that means that WTC7 (which was only 400 feet away) was hit by WTC 2 collapsing.

 

[alienentity]

They fell straight down, but the explosions blew debris well outside of the footprint.

So did they fall into their own footprints? It is a simple, yes or no question,or do you disagree with truthers in that regard?

You seem to be indicating that the debris (building bits and pieces) were not inside the footprints, but you provide an excuse.

I will interpret your answer as 'no' unless you state otherwise.

 

[Lak]

So did they fall into their own footprints? It is a simple, yes or no question,or do you disagree with truthers in that regard?

You seem to be indicating that the debris (building bits and pieces) were not inside the footprints, but you provide an excuse.

I will interpret your answer as 'no' unless you state otherwise.

That's rather simple, actually : the buildings fell into their own footprints... well... For the part that did fall into the footprint, and at the same time they didn't, for the part that was blown away by the silent stealthy ninja explosives (or the normal explosives with a doctored soundtrack and noone in the vicinity permanently deafened by the massive explosion). So, they did, and they did not. Whatever works in a given context.

See, you can tell it was a controlled demolition with explosives because of the fallen-into-their-own-footprint nature of the collapse, except that the explosives used in this controlled demolition sent bits and pieces several hundred feet away, making the demolition not-so-controlled and leading to the destruction of all surrounding buildings.

Wait... What ?

If some big man pushed me off the roof of WTC1 I might travel outwards seven feet or so depending on how hard he pushed me. Then gravity would take over and I would fall staight down. No stopping at go, no 200 dollars. Straight down.

I can't help but seeing this scene as an old cartoon. Bill E. Coyote pushed off a roof, staying in the air for a few seconds, and then falling straight down as soon as he realises he stands on nothing.

Welcome to the forum. Now get in line if you want to take a poke of the BS

Thank you. But it's so hard to resist.

 

[triforcharity]

It is tiresome to deal with somebody of such limited capacity. I have explained all this to you before several times.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5393344&postcount=1622

Furthermore there were no fires the size of a city block . Zero. See attached ideo of zero fires in about 20 different perspectives of WTC7. You and the Readers will note that far from a city block-sized fire as you maintain, there are no visible fires at all.Lying will not help. And remember- this was at the time of the actual collapse when you would expect to see the most fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZsA3xb2kOA&feature=player_embedded Many views

And yet, I showed you a picture, two actually, taken about 30 minutes after the collapse, and there is already flames shooting out the windows.

And you wanna show me cherrypicked BS.

Get bent.

 

[triforcharity]

I'm not going to go around with you in this debunker two-step again.

I invite the Readers to note your logic. I would guess a few dozen fire extinguishers would have been enough to put out the dozen or so small fires that were observed soon after the collapse of the North Tower. Thousands could have been available at the drop of a hat with hundreds of men to man them.

Hundreds of men?? Did you bumb your head and forget we lost 343 by the time the second collapsed, and we were focused on SAVING LIVES?!?!! Damn son, you just cannot understand the fact that we will focus on saving LIVES every single time, before saving property.

Every single damn time, without any exceptions. PERIOD.

 

[triforcharity]

Wow this was a good one.. Look at the lines of windows from top to bottom and three deep on the etreme right of the near wall of WTC7. See ?....no fire. Now look at all that smoke being pumped out . Now what could be causing that smoke ?

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/WTC7_Fire_Videos Clip 4

Fire.

Smoke travels. Fire does also.

Can you see inside where the fires are Billy? I can't.

 

[Macgyver1968]

Tri,

How effective would a dry chemical fire extinguisher be against an established fire?. It would take at least some time to gather the fire extinguishers..and walk them up 20 stories of steps. From what I understand they put out the fire by depriving it of oxygen...but it doesn't cool things off like water. Would you run into a burning building armed only with a fire extinguisher?

 

[triforcharity]

Mac,

Not typically. I would not go into a blaze with a fire extinguisher. Maybe to a small car fire, comprising of just the engine area, but not much more.

Dry fire extinguishers (ABC) With a size of (10 or 20) which is pretty standard for offices, are only good for 10 square feet or 20 sq. feet respectively.

They do work by smothering it. The particles get in the air, and on the fuel itself, and the fire starves. I have seen it where they start back up, even after its been deloused by 2 or 3 fire extinguishers. It is ONLY a means of stopping its progression. You will still need to soak the area with water.

ETA: Linkey

http://www.essortment.com/home/homesafetybuye_sywn.htm

 

[Bluesky]

If some big man pushed me off the roof of WTC1 I might travel outwards seven feet or so depending on how hard he pushed me. Then gravity would take over and I would fall staight down. No stopping at go, no 200 dollars. Straight down. The same with the building components. It was close to freefall remember and no jolt to throw anything to the side.

Te he he. Some new laws of physics: not Newtonian Physiscs but Newtruthian Physics

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I can't help but seeing this scene as an old cartoon. Bill E. Coyote pushed off a roof, staying in the air for a few seconds, and then falling straight down as soon as he realises he stands on nothing.

You mean like this:

 

[Bluesky]

If some big man pushed me off the roof of WTC1 I might travel outwards seven feet or so depending on how hard he pushed me. Then gravity would take over and I would fall staight down. No stopping at go, no 200 dollars. Straight down. The same with the building components. It was close to freefall remember and no jolt to throw anything to the side.

And its equally funny that Bill forgets about the air escaping from the building blowing the sides off, which was calculated at 200 to 600mph... I suppose that falling straight down and unpeeling like a banana are the same.

Bill can easily explain this by the First Law of Newtruthian Physics,
Truth = Mass x Aggravation

Ya got to laugh

 

[Furcifer]

Thank you. But it's so hard to resist.

Your welcome and I know. AAH, or "Abandon All Hope" is located in the member section. You can find it by clicking on the drop down menu at the bottom of the page. You don't know it yet, but you will thank me for this.

 

[Furcifer]

If some big man pushed me off the roof of WTC1 I might travel outwards seven feet or so depending on how hard he pushed me.

Oh really? Care to explain how you arrived at "seven feet or so"?. I bet you don't even have a clue. I bet you don't even know what you are talking about here. I bet you are a total ignoramus when it comes to physics. I bet even under controlled conditions, you need to eat with a spoon. cuz...

My dick is like supersize
Your dick look like two fries
My dick more mass than the Earth
Your dick half staff (it needs work)

Blame Mickey Avalon