Gas pumped into Gaza tunnels

Eddie Dane said:
Why don't we hear about this in the media?

Why is there no outrage, no demonstrations no.....Oh wait.

It's done by Egypt.

Never mind.
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They are useing gas on their own teritory in a law enforcement situation and therefor their actions are legal under international law.
 
But if Israel did the exact same thing in from its own territory people here won't be saying, "oh, it's their own territory, never mind". They would be saying that the fact that it's from Israel's territory is just a legalistic, typical zionist excuse to cover up their horrific crimes by the evil nazi-like (using gas, for God's sake!) thugs of the zionist entity.
 
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Tin Foil Timothy, before he got banned here, claimed Israel broke a cease-fire by destroying a tunnel that went from Gaza into Israel.

The mind boggles...
 
This is why I sometimes think the "anti-zionist" stuff, at least among some people, is mostly not antisemitism, but anti-Arab and anti-Islamic bigotry: they expect real people, like the Jews, to act according to a high standard. But Arabs and Muslims? Meh. They're animals anyway, can't expect civilized behavior from them in any case, so there's no point of getting excited over yet another massacre or oppression or whatever.
 
Darth Rotor said:
You just bit on the lure, and the hook is now embedded securely in your cheek.
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Israel is a western-style liberal Democracy. there is a strong division between the three branches of government. Israel receives billions of $$ in yearly aid from the USA, and justifies this by reinforcing our shared values and ideals.

therefore, I hold Israel to the same standard that I do the USA, Canada, Britain, France, and Germany.

is there something wrong with this?
 
parky76 said:
Israel is a western-style liberal Democracy. there is a strong division between the three branches of government. Israel receives billions of $$ in yearly aid from the USA, and justifies this by reinforcing our shared values and ideals.
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Egypt also gets billions per year in aid from us, and you can thank Camp David. They are not a model democracy, but we are engaged with them with hope that they'll reform over time.
therefore, I hold Israel to the same standard that I do the USA, Canada, Britain, France, and Germany.

is there something wrong with this?
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Your hypocrisy is more extensive than I thought. The UN has over 170 nations in it. I want to understand your rationale for your global double standard, beyond arrogance and a bit of possibly bigotry thrown in.

DR
 
parky76 said:
Israel is a western-style liberal Democracy. there is a strong division between the three branches of government. Israel receives billions of $$ in yearly aid from the USA, and justifies this by reinforcing our shared values and ideals.

therefore, I hold Israel to the same standard that I do the USA, Canada, Britain, France, and Germany.

is there something wrong with this?
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Yes.

You don't include Egypt, who also gets billions from the US. Something on the order of only a few hundred million less than Israel.
 
Skeptic said:
But if Israel did the exact same thing in from its own territory people here won't be saying, "oh, it's their own territory, never mind". They would be saying that the fact that it's from Israel's territory is just a legalistic, typical zionist excuse to cover up their horrific crimes by the evil nazi-like (using gas, for God's sake!) thugs of the zionist entity.
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Err Isreal has made significant use of tear gas against West Bank targets. However since Isreal has not ratifed the Chemical Weapons Convention and thus it's actions remain legal.
 
This thread is a great illustration of how Israel is facing war crimes accusations that no other nation would face if they did the exact same thing.

Because they are being "held to a higher standard", you see.

Don't look for Goldstone or anyone like him to accuse Egypt of war crimes. You'll get nothing but a big yawn from the UN.
 
WildCat said:
This thread is a great illustration of how Israel is facing war crimes accusations that no other nation would face if they did the exact same thing.

Because they are being "held to a higher standard", you see.

Don't look for Goldstone or anyone like him to accuse Egypt of war crimes. You'll get nothing but a big yawn from the UN.
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Egypt is not currently involved in anything that under international law be considered a war. Bit hard to commit war crimes under those conditions.
 
The smuggling industry is so institutionalized that tunnel operators purchase licenses from the Rafah municipality, allowing them to connect to electricity and water. Hamas has also been ensuring no children are employed in the tunnels, and is taxing all smuggled goods.
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If I am to believe the linked article, Hamas is openly condoing unlawful commercial activity: smuggling. I guess they are smart to tax one of the few industries that makes a profit in Gaza. (They really need to relook their position on porn, from a balance of payments perspective ... )

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
If I am to believe the linked article, Hamas is openly condoing unlawful commercial activity: smuggling. I guess they are smart to tax one of the few industries that makes a profit in Gaza. (They really need to relook their position on porn, from a balance of payments perspective ... )

DR
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It's not illegal under Gazan law. So strictly speaking they are simply levying import duties.
 
geni said:
Egypt is not currently involved in anything that under international law be considered a war. Bit hard to commit war crimes under those conditions.
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So gassing people in tunnels or collapsing them on people is just a normal thing countries do?
 
geni said:
It's not illegal under Gazan law. So strictly speaking they are simply levying import duties.
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OK ... internally, that is consistent. Since it crosses international borders, I am not so sure your "strictly speaking" is correct.

DR
 
WildCat said:
So gassing people in tunnels or collapsing them on people is just a normal thing countries do?
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While the use of various sorts of gas may be an issue of interest, the defense of one's border is a legitimate exercise of any sovereign nation. Collapsing the tunnels under your border from outside is certainly a legitimate counter. If they were real bastidges, they'd set up land mines in the tunnels ... ;) or claymores triggered by vibration sensors ... you can argue that it is more humane to collapse the tunnels than to leave them open, and observed, and simply kill anyone invading the your nation via these tunnels.

DR
 
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