Why Not Palin for President?

Darth Rotor said:
OK, all that I think is required ...

Clear now? (add the native born) The post was a response to a foreigner who asserted that the President's primary (or most important) role was as leader of the free world, which I point out, again, is a collateral duty.

DR
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lol...as a non-American (or foreigner as you call it, although we live just above you), I was expressing from a non-American pov, what I think is important in a POTUS. However, if I was an American, that list would not change that significantly (if you look at my full list).

TAM:)
 
Kestrel said:
The problem with Palin is not that she went to an isolated college.
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But that's not what UNLoVedRebel said. Her(?) claim is that "Her not having an Ivy League education is a plus for me."

A plus.

In other words, UNLoVedRebel actively prefers a candidate from U of I (having the "plus" of not having an Ivy League education) to one from Harvard or Dartmouth. Something about U of I makes it actively better.

I mean, sure, you can do good work at any school. And at any school you can opt to go completely to seed once you've graduated. But those aren't advantages to non-Ivy schools. And I don't see anything wrong with accepting that a U of I education carries disadvantages that a bright and ambitious student can overcome.

But that's not the claim here.

What's the advantage to U of I?
 
Debaroo said:
Googling " Do you think Sarah Palin would make a good president" nets some interesting hits.

Here is a small sampling of responses for "yes"(she would make a good president) .

"Yes - I beleive she would make a wonderful President, she would NEVER BOW to another country she would bring back RESPECT to this great nation."

"Yes - She has taken on the corruption in the AK Rep. party & won. So if she could clean out some of the corruption in Wash. D.C. that's a better situation than any of the political hacks we've been offered lately."

"Yes - you betcha! Especially if she can get elected without owing alot of people like she did when she was elected Govenor. She had no favors to pay back to either party. Odummer is still paying back his political backers, like the unions, acorn to mention a few. Thanks to the media we know everything about her and her past unlike Obama that has a secret past. The idiots that voted for him never bothered to check him out. Michelle and Barry had a very shady past in Chicago and shame on you for not looking closer at this couple before voting him into such a powerful position."

"yes - unlike obama's daughters that will slip out the back and have an abortion because their dad doesn't want one mistake to ruin their life. Take the easy way out . obama is a loser!!"

The "No's" are pretty much the same reasons that have already been stated in this thread.
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1. Bowing is a sign of respect, which is a MUTUAL thing. No one will respect a person or nation because they are forced to. They may fear such a country or nation, but they will not RESPECT either.

2. She cleaned out the corruption that was there, and looks like she put some of her own there in its place.

3. Odummer...I would question the intelligence of the source of such a comment.

4. The final person is simply an idiot racist bigot.

You see who would vote for her...enough said.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
4. The final person is simply an idiot racist bigot.

You see who would vote for her...enough said.
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I find your libel against Senator McCain to be unfounded. Who the hell do you think he voted for, when he ran for president?

DR
 
The problem I have with Conservatives who support Palin is there are conservatives out there who have much better qualfications, are much better educated, and do not makes total fools of themselves just about every three days the way that Palin does. Why they support Palin instead of other conservatives who might, you know, have a chance to win in a general election puzzles me.
 
http://billingsgazette.com/news/opi...396-11de-8bce-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=comments

Some great comments over at this link. Not all conservatives agree that Palin would be a good choice. Commenter "Fly Away" noted..."She would have to win many swing states won by Obama, comprised of an electorate that is much less sympathetic to her brand of politics than they would be to the like of Mitt Romney or Tim Pawlenty. The math for an electoral victory simply does not exist, and as such, it would be foolish to support her as our party's nominee. I doubt any of you want to turn Obama into an 8 year man, so why would be hand him victory by nominating Sarah Palin? "
 
Debaroo said:
http://billingsgazette.com/news/opi...396-11de-8bce-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=comments

Some great comments over at this link. Not all conservatives agree that Palin would be a good choice. Commenter "Fly Away" noted..."She would have to win many swing states won by Obama, comprised of an electorate that is much less sympathetic to her brand of politics than they would be to the like of Mitt Romney or Tim Pawlenty. The math for an electoral victory simply does not exist, and as such, it would be foolish to support her as our party's nominee. I doubt any of you want to turn Obama into an 8 year man, so why would be hand him victory by nominating Sarah Palin? "
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But that is not the question you were asking, were you? Who can win vs who can be a good president are different questions. Someone could be a great president yet be incapable of getting a party nomination (an atheist Reagan, Roosevelt, or whoever you thought was a great president). Likewise, somebody could get the nomination and win the majority of states, yet be pretty abysmal at the job (oh, I'm not going to list examples here, I'm not that dumb).
 
roger said:
But that is not the question you were asking, were you? Who can win vs who can be a good president are different questions.
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They're different questions -- but winning is a precursor to being a good president.

If you really want to support someone unelectable because you think they'd do a good job despite that,.... well, here's your lance, and there's your windmill.....
 
The only thing that Palin has going for her is electibility, but that only among the party fanatics.

Go whackos. Get your girl on the ticket.

We could use the disillusioned Republicans voting Democratic.

But that the vapid twit can make such a mark by her bomb-throwing and enthusiasm for the hard line of her party should send a message to the moderate Democrats who think that they have to play to the center and govern from the right.

People want ideas, and they will buy those ideas more readily if they are presented with boldness.

Look at the campaign contributions Alan Grayson picked up with his "die quickly" remarks.

Okay, form has mattered more than substance in American politics at least since 1980. Look what it got us.

All Palin has is form.
 
drkitten said:
If you really want to support someone unelectable because you think they'd do a good job despite that,.... well, here's your lance, and there's your windmill.....
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I'm not a 'Don'.

I think she is very electable, which is why so many of us are 'scared', as often accused by the right. The scare is not that a Republican would be president, but that somebody so obviously unprepared and unpreparable would be our leader.

41 was a disappointing but acceptable win for me
43 was slightly scary
Palin would be run around the living room in circles shrieking and pulling your hair out scary
 
dudalb said:
The problem I have with Conservatives who support Palin is there are conservatives out there who have much better qualfications, are much better educated, and do not makes total fools of themselves just about every three days the way that Palin does. Why they support Palin instead of other conservatives who might, you know, have a chance to win in a general election puzzles me.
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But she's purdy, and a hockey mom...isn't dat more important?

TAM:)
 
dudalb said:
Why they support Palin instead of other conservatives who might, you know, have a chance to win in a general election puzzles me.
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Because Palin more closely resembles them and therefore can be trusted more to address their concerns, needs, and values.

Do you really think that a corporate executive who has made millions outsourcing jobs to Nowheristan understands the unemployment problem? Could he be trusted to take effective steps to bring jobs back to the States, when he himself helped create the problem in the first place (and pocketed a tidy sum doing it)?
 
Here is how I liken the comparison of Bush 41, 43, and Palin.

Bush 41 - A regular driver
Bush 43 - A 17 hothead at the wheel
Palin - your 5 year old sitting on daddy's lap behind the wheel.

Bush 41 - wasn't a big fan, but he did alright. Can remain a driver.
Bush 43 - Made some ****** decisions, maybe should have his drivers license taken.
Palin - Sitting on Daddy's lap you might say "Awwwe look how cute she is behind the wheel/as POTUS", but you would never let her actually take the wheel/become POTUS herself.

TAM:)
 
drkitten said:
Because Palin more closely resembles them and therefore can be trusted more to address their concerns, needs, and values.

Do you really think that a corporate executive who has made millions outsourcing jobs to Nowheristan understands the unemployment problem? Could he be trusted to take effective steps to bring jobs back to the States, when he himself helped create the problem in the first place (and pocketed a tidy sum doing it)?
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Yes, well let her be the "hockey mom Czar" for the next Republican POTUS.

TAM:)
 
drkitten said:
Because Palin more closely resembles them and therefore can be trusted more to address their concerns, needs, and values.

Do you really think that a corporate executive who has made millions outsourcing jobs to Nowheristan understands the unemployment problem? Could he be trusted to take effective steps to bring jobs back to the States, when he himself helped create the problem in the first place (and pocketed a tidy sum doing it)?
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I'm a tad confused. Weren't you earlier (in this thread or another one) arguing that outsourcing jobs was better for this country?

I'll assume this was a rhetorical answer intended to explain the viewpoint of 'average' supporter of Palin.

If not, I'd say that the above is a false dichotomy, in that I don't think the Republican line up will consist of corporate executives on the whole. I'd also say that living through something may lend understanding of how something hurts/sucks, but it doesn't mean they have the economic and political understanding of how to fix something, and it would actually bias them towards not recognizing that perhaps something shouldn't/cannot be fixed.
 
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