Merged E-4B flying around pentagon / Norman Mineta timeline

[BigAl]

fosters conspiracy theories and mistrust.

Only in a handful of loons on the Internet.

 

[Reheat]

Keeping secrets where there is no need for secrets, especially when it involves 9/11, fosters conspiracy theories and mistrust.

Are you really so delusional to believe that no matter what is said or done there wouldn't still be conspiracy theories? Mistrust by whom? Oh yea.....conspiracy theorists!

 

[Kestrel]

Except it doesn't. The E-4B is essentially an airborne command and control centre. It's designed for situations in which static ground-based command and control centres might be compromised. Given any sort of US government involvement in 9/11, there's no plausible reason for using the E-4B because a static ground-based command centre would not only provide a far superior service, but would avoid attracting attention.

The E-4Bs normal mission during the Cold War would be to fly over the interior of the US. In this case, it's a reasonable assumption that it loitered in the DC area so it could use it's radar and other surveillance equipment to observe what was happening. A good use of an available asset during an emergency.

 

[bill smith]

Provide proof first bill - you know how it works by now.

This forum has a "Put up or shut up" policy on evidence - seemingly you have noen to support this fake photo.

So are your friends helping you to establish the Truth about the van with the mural of a plane diving into the Twin Towers being stopped at the WTC on 9/11 and the occupants running away ?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5393096&postcount=53 Hyperlink to pic

If they do not tell you it is true (and these guys know all there is to know about 9/11) what can that mean readers ? Many of these guys know about it yet they do not want you to know about it as would happen if they enlightened poor Harpo here. .Why is that do you think ?

 

[Reheat]

In this case, it's a reasonable assumption that it loitered in the DC area so it could use it's radar and other surveillance equipment to observe what was happening. A good use of an available asset during an emergency.

Just what kind of radar do you think an E4B has? It is not an AWACS. It is primarily a communications platform, not a surveillance asset.

It didn't loiter in the DC area, it made one pass around P-56 A and B and then orbited in the Richmond, VA area. The most plausible explanation I've seen is that it launched to facilitate the POTUS' return to DC. That didn't happen, so it eventually returned to Andrews.

 

[bill smith]

Just what kind of radar do you think an E4B has? It is not an AWACS. It is primarily a communications platform, not a surveillance asset.

It didn't loiter in the DC area, it made one pass around P-56 A and B and then orbited in the Richmond, VA area. The most plausible explanation I've seen is that it launched to facilitate the POTUS' return to DC. That didn't happen, so it eventually returned to Andrews.

One of those hanging ladders to the roof of the Whitehouse I suppose ?

 

[Kestrel]

Are you really so delusional to believe that no matter what is said or done there wouldn't still be conspiracy theories? Mistrust by whom? Oh yea.....conspiracy theorists!

There will always be a few on the fringes. But what helps them sell their case to others is evidence that the government has not been completely open and honest about the events of 9/11.

 

[bill smith]

There will always be a few on the fringes. But what helps them sell their case to others is evidence that the government has not been completely open and honest about the events of 9/11.

But now you are praising them with faint damnation.

Far from neing mildly complicit as you would suggest they were into it right up to the back teeth. Orchestration and all.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Denying the E-4 is simply slavish adherence to simple minded rules.

I suspect slavish adherence to simple-minded rules is a really excellent security measure. There must be people all over the world in charge of their own company's data security who wish there was a way to make their own colleagues slavishly adhere to simple-minded rules.

Never mind that this is a situation where full disclosure of the facts is a key to retaining public confidence.

Do you think it is that big a deal? I mean, I have no idea, but how many Americans do you think currently lack confidence in their government, but would have it restored by hearing an announcement that a 747 they may have seen or heard about in the Washington area on 9/11/2001 was a government aircraft? Seriously, do you have a number in mind?

 

[triforcharity]

What does it matter if CT's think it is something to be suspecious about? The govenment isn't going to publish information about something that concerns National Security just to silence a few crazy-tin-foil-hatters.

Sorry, they are smarter than that. Just like much of Air Force One's capabilities and such are classified. Like, what type of countermeasures it has. Its a matter of National Security.

Submarine grocery bills are also classified. Does it mean that they don't want you to knnow that the crew eats? No, of course not.

The USG doesn't give a damn about some CT's little dilusions.

 

[bill smith]

What does it matter if CT's think it is something to be suspecious about? The govenment isn't going to publish information about something that concerns National Security just to silence a few crazy-tin-foil-hatters.

Sorry, they are smarter than that. Just like much of Air Force One's capabilities and such are classified. Like, what type of countermeasures it has. Its a matter of National Security.

Submarine grocery bills are also classified. Does it mean that they don't want you to knnow that the crew eats? No, of course not.

The USG doesn't give a damn about some CT's little dilusions.

Yes they do. Remember when the conspiracy theories were not catching on fast enough despite Rumsfeld and his'missile hit the Pentagon' and again when he said that flight 93 had been shot down ? Even with these and more clues the conspiracy theories did not really catch on. In the end desperation drove Bush to the UN that November to make a public speech about it. Remember ?....' Let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories'. That was he first time I and most other people had ever heard anything about 9/11 conspiracy theories.

 

[BigAl]

Do you think it is that big a deal? I mean, I have no idea, but how many Americans do you think currently lack confidence in their government, but would have it restored by hearing an announcement that a 747 they may have seen or heard about in the Washington area on 9/11/2001 was a government aircraft? Seriously, do you have a number in mind?

One (1), you.

Actually make that zero since if you get this answered, I expect you will just find something to "just ask questions about".

 

[DGM]

Several times in the days after 9/11 I saw government/military aircraft flying around. Not once did I wonder why they were there, I assumed they were doing their job, and that made me happy.

Life is so much nicer when your not paranoid.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

One (1), you.

Actually make that zero since if you get this answered, I expect you will just find something to "just ask questions about".

Can't be me - I'm not American.
I think you mistook my meaning. I was being sarcastic. There's no point whatever in the US administration telling conspiracy nuts something they already know (that this E4 was stooging around near Washington on 9/11). It's not as if any would suddenly decide they didn't believe in conspiracies any more. It would just generate a demand for whatever was the next drip of information, and the next, and the next. (None of which would be believed if they didn't confirm what the conspiracy nuts already "know".)

Edit to add: Unless "One (1), you" was aimed at Kestrel. In which case just ignore me. Carry on.

 

[triforcharity]

Bill,

Then by your logic, why haven't they said what the airplane in question was doing?

Stop taking my posts out of context.

The USG is not going to release classified documents to shut your merry band of dumb***** up. Sorry, not going to happen.

 

[BigAl]

Can't be me - I'm not American.
I think you mistook my meaning. I was being sarcastic.

Sorry, I thought I was responding to Kestrel.

 

[bill smith]

Bill,

Then by your logic, why haven't they said what the airplane in question was doing?

Stop taking my posts out of context.

The USG is not going to release classified documents to shut your merry band of dumb***** up. Sorry, not going to happen.

To set the conspiracy hounds running Tri. I thought that would be obvious.

 

[Senenmut]

there may have been 2 e-4b's that departed from andrews AFB. the name of the second e-4b that took off before venus 77 was SWORD 31.

from gaffney's new book the 911 mystery plane:
http://the911mysteryplane.com/

"The staffer acknowledged that he knew about VENUS 77 (and also SWORD 31, a second E-4B that departed from Andrews AFB at 9:26 AM) but did not investigate either of these command and control flights because he was told by his supervisor, Daniel Marcus, that the US Air Force had already briefed the commissioners about these departures. The staffer assumed the flights had been covered and focused on other issues. Marcus served as the general counsel for the 9/11 Commission and when I contacted him at American University, where he currently teaches law, he confirmed that “sensitive briefings” had indeed taken place. Marcus refused to elaborate, however."

 

[JoeyDonuts]

And even if there HAD been two E-4B that departed from Andrews, what would the significance be with regards to whether or not there was a government orchestrated conspiracy on 9/11?

 

[triforcharity]

To set the conspiracy hounds running Tri. I thought that would be obvious.

Yeah, and jeoperodize national security, great thinking!!

Well, we know who should NEVER have ANY kind of government clearance, EVER.