Four Police Officers Killed In Washington Coffee House

eeyore1954 said:
Only evangelical Christians pardon criminals.
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It's not just this one case with Huckabee.

Sure, it would be unfair to blame Huckabee if he was just following standard practice with clemency and got unlucky in one case. But Huckabee granted twice as many pardons and commutations as his three predecessors combined.

The Wayne DuMond case seems to be even more culpable, based on what we know so far. It seems that there was a wacky conspiracy about Bill Clinton and DuMond had an evangelical preacher go to bat for him. This seemed to sway the governor.

And these are just the more high-profile cases where we know that the pardoned criminal subsequently commited murder and was caught.

An Arkansas Democrat-Gazette review in 2004 concluded that state records indicate "at least 9 percent of the prisoners who benefited from Huckabee's clemencies ended up in prison again."
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So it's a pattern, not just one or two cases.
 
Further evidence to me that human beings are animals and not a very good species to boot.

One of those cops is being talked about a lot around here as not having a mean bone in his body and a pure soul. It is a sad day.

Also, for what it is worth, the suspect has been known to think he is Jesus.
 
Bill Thompson said:
9 percent is pretty low. I do not think this is where to point the finger.
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That figure referred to "at least" 9%. It is likely much higher based on the statistical likelihood of certain criminals reoffending. You have to consider how those stats are collected. If a prisoner reoffends in another state, it may not show up. If he/she reoffends more than a year later and they only collect data for one year, it may not show up and so on. I don't know in this case except for the fact the article stated "at least". The article did not state it as a certain number.

I think the bigger issue here is the kind of criminals Huckabee was giving clemency to and what was influencing his decisions. If being born again or having some Evangelical prison preacher vouch for these criminals greatly influenced the decisions, that would indicate fundy judgment on Huckabee's part. Fundy judgment is not evidence based judgment.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I agree. What does Huckabee have to do with this except for bad luck?
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I'd say the issue was more about bringing attention to Huckabee's clemency granting. The pattern is the issue, not just Clemmons directly. Because of the pattern, and the bad luck as you put it, Huckabee will be tagged as misjudging this murderer.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
They're like pre-programmed robots, aren't they?


Makes you wonder if they have the capacity to choose to be different?
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The irony is awesomely astounding. You too didn't actually read what was written and just agreed with Skeptic because it 'defended' Bush and attacked vague liberal enemies. That's the only conclusion I can see as a reasonable possibility.

Bush was not in any way blamed for this.

It's perfectly valid to explore the reason this guy was pardoned, especially when it appears those reasons to be religious in nature. The knee jerk 'defend the conservative' reaction isn't productive. Note that I'm not about to criticize someone saying, 'let's wait for judgment till we have more information'. To that person I'd point out that there is evidence that is being reasonably reviewed.

This isn't 'bash a conservative' it's, 'bash the harmful likely possibly religiously motivated actions of a governor'. You know, the action that contributed to these deaths?
 
Didn't Mike Dukakis take gas over a similar situation when he ran for President. I recall alot of Republican commercials about Willie Horton.
 
ravdin said:
I don't see any negative implications from taking this worthless sociopath out of circulation.
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The Central Scrutinizer said:
Good.
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Oh I'm not saying I'm sad that he died, although I prefer a long, unhappy imprisonment to death. I don't know if that will take the spotlight off of the problem of random attacks on police and the sub issue of religiously motivated pardons sooner than if he had a trial to keep this in the news for a few more months.
 
tyr_13 said:
Oh I'm not saying I'm sad that he died, although I prefer a long, unhappy imprisonment to death. I don't know if that will take the spotlight off of the problem of random attacks on police and the sub issue of religiously motivated pardons sooner than if he had a trial to keep this in the news for a few more months.
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How about the spotlight also shone on a low bail sentence for psychotic violent child rapist?
 
tyr_13 said:
Oh I'm not saying I'm sad that he died, although I prefer a long, unhappy imprisonment to death. I don't know if that will take the spotlight off of the problem of random attacks on police and the sub issue of religiously motivated pardons sooner than if he had a trial to keep this in the news for a few more months.
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Oh, I am sure that the political advisors for GOP candidates who are planning to run for the Presidency in 2012 against Huckabee will see that nobody forgets this.
 
dudalb said:
Oh, I am sure that the political advisors for GOP candidates who are planning to run for the Presidency in 2012 against Huckabee will see that nobody forgets this.
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Given my low opinion of Huckabee's politics, it's tempting to pin the blame on him for this criminal being loose on the streets. It's true enough that he granted an exceptional number of commutations and that this particular individual had a poor track record, even while in prison. However, there is a very long list of recent bureaucratic screwups that have nothing at all to do with Huckabee. I think these recent events in Washington state are more deserving of scrutiny.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010392869_shootingjustice01m.html
 
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