Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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Yep I've seen one! - It only had one kidney and it was dowsing for another one. It then levitated into a waiting UFO and disappeared. :eye-poppi
 
WGBH said:
It's not the claim, it's the people who make the claims and the same excuses they use for not getting proof of the claims.
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Sure, OK. But why doesn't Bigfoot get habituated? Everything can be habituated. Give me a crate of Oreos and I could habituate you.

You see, think about cougars and black bears. Those are big North American mammals that have been around for a long time. They are really good at what they do. They have very specific evolutionary adaptions that allow them to tough it out in NA. Those animals have to be very successful to stick around and out compete other things like short-faced cave bears and cave lions and so on that are no longer around. But whoa, hey now, Bigfoot owns them. Bigfoot has a greater range than either of those animals. No super smell, no claws, no sharp teeth, no crazy night eyes. No torpor, no insulation, no fire, no tools, no fur. It's snowing, the ground is frozen solid, and you have feet like a human. When do your toes fall off?

So there you have a dumpster with some stale hot dog buns and half-eaten corn on the cob or some pinecones and sticks. What are you going to eat? I'll be having some half-eaten corn on the cob dogs, thanks. Throw the sticks on the fire that I can make because I'm a human.

The point is that I'm not saying it is impossible for Bigfoot to exist, but for Bigfoot to survive and thrive, it is going to have to do things that will invariably result in us having a type specimen for them like we do for every other NA mammal. What makes Bigfoot so special?
 
kitakaze said:
Sure, OK. But why doesn't Bigfoot get habituated? Everything can be habituated. Give me a crate of Oreos and I could habituate you.

You see, think about cougars and black bears. Those are big North American mammals that have been around for a long time. They are really good at what they do. They have very specific evolutionary adaptions that allow them to tough it out in NA. Those animals have to be very successful to stick around and out compete other things like short-faced cave bears and cave lions and so on that are no longer around. But whoa, hey now, Bigfoot owns them. Bigfoot has a greater range than either of those animals. No super smell, no claws, no sharp teeth, no crazy night eyes. No torpor, no insulation, no fire, no tools, no fur. It's snowing, the ground is frozen solid, and you have feet like a human. When do your toes fall off?

So there you have a dumpster with some stale hot dog buns and half-eaten corn on the cob or some pinecones and sticks. What are you going to eat? I'll be having some half-eaten corn on the cob dogs, thanks. Throw the sticks on the fire that I can make because I'm a human.

The point is that I'm not saying it is impossible for Bigfoot to exist, but for Bigfoot to survive and thrive, it is going to have to do things that will invariably result in us having a type specimen for them like we do for every other NA mammal. What makes Bigfoot so special?
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I agree, and yes you COULD habituate me with a crate of Oreos.
 
kitakaze said:
The point is that I'm not saying it is impossible for Bigfoot to exist, but for Bigfoot to survive and thrive, it is going to have to do things that will invariably result in us having a type specimen for them like we do for every other NA mammal. What makes Bigfoot so special?
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That's actually an excellent question. If these creatures are real, then they seem to have developed a behavior which includes giving humans humans wide berth. In other words, they don't seem to be confrontational. Whether this is a learned trait or instinctive is a mystery.

I'm seeing a glint of intelligence from you, Kit. Scary.:jaw-dropp
 
CreatureSeeker said:
That's actually an excellent question. If these creatures are real, then they seem to have developed a behavior which includes giving humans humans wide berth. In other words, they don't seem to be confrontational. Whether this is a learned trait or instinctive is a mystery.

I'm seeing a glint of intelligence from you, Kit. Scary.:jaw-dropp
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I'm flattered. Unfortunately the significance of the point doesn't seem to reveal itself to you as it does to me. Bigfoots have developed a behaviour of giving humans a wide berth? Yes, that's interesting, because they seem to keep being so utterly fail at it. I'll direct you to sugar's posts for a prime example of this. Seems that running towards an Ford F150 bearing down on you with the noise and the lights and the speed in the middle of Route 79 just past the East Arkansas Regional Unit prison just before coming into Marianna would register as a particularly significant brand of FAIL where giving humans a wide berth is concerned.

No, I would say that all the accounts piling up of Bigfoot coming into human habitation and doing all manner of decidely stupid and non-stealthy things would indicate a social construct more than any kind of real animal. You go right ahead and tell me how you separate the real reports from the foo foo, though.
 
kitakaze said:
I'm flattered. Unfortunately the significance of the point doesn't seem to reveal itself to you as it does to me. Bigfoots have developed a behaviour of giving humans a wide berth? Yes, that's interesting, because they seem to keep being so utterly fail at it. I'll direct you to sugar's posts for a prime example of this. Seems that running towards an Ford F150 bearing down on you with the noise and the lights and the speed in the middle of Route 79 just past the East Arkansas Regional Unit prison just before coming into Marianna would register as a particularly significant brand of FAIL where giving humans a wide berth is concerned.
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If you assume that Sugar actually had a bigfoot experience, then I guess you're right. I don't take things at face value.

kitakaze said:
No, I would say that all the accounts piling up of Bigfoot coming into human habitation and doing all manner of decidely stupid and non-stealthy things would indicate a social construct more than any kind of real animal. You go right ahead and tell me how you separate the real reports from the foo foo, though.
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Like a report of anything, you have to use a reasonableness standard that is partly based on common sense and partly based on the credibility of the eyewitness. This is not just for bigfoot reports, but for all things.:jaw-dropp
 
CreatureSeeker said:
If you assume that Sugar actually had a bigfoot experience, then I guess you're right. I don't take things at face value.


Like a report of anything, you have to use a reasonableness standard that is partly based on common sense and partly based on the credibility of the eyewitness. This is not just for bigfoot reports, but for all things.:jaw-dropp
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That's fantastic. Since, then, that you describe yourself as a skeptic, and that if true, sugar's account is one of the more gobsmacking examples that flies in the face of everything you just said about Bigfoot giving humans a wide berth, you join in the investigation of her claim. Certainly as a member of a Bigfoot research orgainzation, the revelations that sugar's account could signify are of great importance to you.
 
kitakaze said:
That's fantastic. Since, then, that you describe yourself as a skeptic, and that if true, sugar's account is one of the more gobsmacking examples that flies in the face of everything you just said about Bigfoot giving humans a wide berth, you join in the investigation of her claim. Certainly as a member of a Bigfoot research orgainzation, the revelations that sugar's account could signify are of great importance to you.
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I'm not familiar with the details of Sugar's encounter except what you mentioned in the thread so I am not in a position to judge the accuracy of her encounter or her credibility. But if you say so...:covereyes
 
CreatureSeeker said:
I'm not familiar with the details of Sugar's encounter except what you mentioned in the thread so I am not in a position to judge the accuracy of her encounter or her credibility. But if you say so...:covereyes
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Go back to post #1428 a few pages back and go from there. There will be some heavy saquatch watching for you to investigate. Dig in.
 
CreatureSeeker said:
Sounds scary! LOL!:jaw-dropp
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Can I take the LOL and emoticon as an expression of dismissal or disinterest? Have you really looked at what has been posted here about sugar's encounter? Or are you just brushing it off in "scoftic" fashion. Let's see...

- 2006

- Multiple witness. The second looks to be joining us soon.

- Alleged witness doesn't appear to have much interest in talkiing about Bigfoot.

- Detailed description given congruent with many accounts of Bigfoot.

Exactly what is the cause of trite dismissal that you were just telling me is a bad thing to do? Is this the open-mindedness to which you referred?
 
kitakaze said:
Can I take the LOL and emoticon as an expression of dismissal or disinterest? Have you really looked at what has been posted here about sugar's encounter? Or are you just brushing it off in "scoftic" fashion. Let's see...

- 2006

- Multiple witness. The second looks to be joining us soon.

- Alleged witness doesn't appear to have much interest in talkiing about Bigfoot.

- Detailed description given congruent with many accounts of Bigfoot.

Exactly what is the cause of trite dismissal that you were just telling me is a bad thing to do? Is this the open-mindedness to which you referred?
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I haven't dismissed anything. More presumption on your part?
 
CreatureSeeker said:
Clever, but in typical marduk fashion, your comment does not contribute to the discussion. Very disappointing.
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thats rich, were all waiting for you to contribute to any discussion,
is it going to happen this month or should I come back next year ?
 
WGBH-
You claim you were not sleepy. However, one of the main reasons that sleep paralysis(combined with hallucinations) is so freaking scary, is that the victim believes themselves to be awake. Ask anyone who has experienced this on a regular basis, they will tell you that in a typical occurrence, they believe something is in the room/area with them, they try to move, or yell out at the creature, they are unable to do so, and believe the creature is paralyzing them. In reality, it is the bodies natural REM sleep paralysis intruding into the pre-sleep stage of rest. The mind is fully functional (seemingly), and the body is trapped in REM sleep paralysis. Does this sound plausible in your case?
 
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