Danny Jowenko - Manipulated by 9/11 Deniers

[Grizzly Bear]

I think, if you will read the report from NIST, you will understand WHY the penthouse fell. The collapse (IIRC) was already underway at that point. That was the first exterrior signs of it.

Bardamu has already nuked the exception. I think you'll find that

Holy Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick.

is a very well suited response.

 

[TruthersLie]

I'm concerned with the sudden uniform and symmetrical drop of the roofline. Some steel could have bounced out of the footprint on the way down. It's not much damage anyway, considering the size of WTC 7.

You might just want to look up those words I highlighted. They do not mean what you think they mean.
It was neither uniform, nor symmetrical. The building develops a bend in the middle. that is not uniform or symmetrical.

Since the Eastern Mechanical pethouse collapsed a full 7 seconds before the rest to be symmetrical there would need to be a Western mechanical penthouse to collapse... oh wait.. there isn't one. That isn't uniform or symmetrical

the eastern mechancial penthouse collapse alone shows it is not uniform or symmetrical.

go to dictionary.com and look up what those words mean. Then try again.

Your dodge is noted. How does a building collapse uniformly and symmetrically into its own footprint (the twoof LIE) and manage to strike two adjacent buildings which are across the strees in opposite directions? Hitting one at the ROOF. How is that "some steel bouncing up to the roof?" Handwave noted

Now instead of trying to handwave it away. Please explain to me how a symmetrical and uniform collapse manages to hit the building across the street at the roof causing a progressive collapse from the roof?

how is that symmetrical?

You provided one yourself. Verinage.

Ah... so hundreds of ninjaneers ran into a burning building and hooked up hydraulic jacks on two floors and then ran out, they then ran into the rubble and picked them up so no one would notice them? Of course they also used stealth hydraulics pumps, and stealth hydraulic lines... Irrelevant.

So the Fire Department top brass knew the towers were coming down and they ushered the mayor away to a safe place and left their own to perish inside the buildings. Nice.

Wow... you are a piece of .....
do us a favor. Go into any of FDNY fire house and tell them what you believe. Provide them all the arugments, just make sure to include that quote. Please. I'll even pay for your airline ticket.

Danny Jowenko didn't understand the full extent of the conspiracy. He could only imagine it was an insurance scam that Silverstein had pulled on the spur of the moment to save money on repairs, so he had to force it into that framework.

When he first finds out it happened the same day, the look on his face is priceless.

The only reason danny J brough tup the "pull it" insurance claim is that the "reporter" was talking to him about it PRIOR to the interview.

Arguments from incredulity noted and rejected. Try again. Maybe after you finish high school. You really should go back and try to graduate. It will help you out soooo much in your later life.

 

[TruthersLie]

I think, if you will read the report from NIST, you will understand WHY the penthouse fell. The collapse (IIRC) was already underway at that point. That was the first exterrior signs of it.

Tri. Why do you ask him to READ anything? He won't. He won't even look at that second picture of fitterman hall which shows the massive pile of debris at the base of it from wtc7. WE know it is because he doesn't understand it, but that is ok. Those who matter do.

I'm still waiting for any controlled demolitions which uses thermite or explosives to be demonstrated that is silent. If it was such a great way to do it, I'm sure there would be dozens of if not hundreds of videos of them.

I'm still waiting for him to show us.

his lack of understanding of what the verinage technique does is rather amusing. As is his attempt to say they are silent CD's without understanding how much MORE work would be involved (a lot more than any traditional CD which uses explosives) and how MUCH MORE noticable it would be with huge hydraulic jacks at the roofline of a floor in each and every column... And how MUCH MORE noticable it would be in the debris pile.

 

[dafydd]

Franky, this is just getting stupid. Don't you know, the US is being torn apart by the TRUTH of 911? Everyday the movement is growing. Important people like Charlie Sheen and Ed Asner are speaking up. There are demonstrations in the streets. Hundreds and thousands of construction professionals speak up all the time about this - not to mention all those firefighters. By the way, I've joined Firefighters for 911 Truth - really.

Actually, there have been 2 presidential elections in between then and now and 911 didn't come up once. Save yourself some time. Get a girlfriend, watch a movie, join a real political party. Just stop being one of these 911 Truth losers. It'll make your parents feel better.

That is the main Truther problem,lack of girlfriends.

 

[Darkhole]

Not sure it was posted before, and not a wtc7 like building, but caused by fire.

http://www.nuvideo.nl/algemeen/13697/instorting-bouwkunde-tu-delft.html

 

[TruthersLie]

<twoof mode>

But the entire building didn't collapse did it?

</twoof mode>

Of course that is ignoring the building type, the construction materials or the design... like how red stepped on his dick earlier by trying to make comparisions between the mandarin oriental hotel fire and wtc7....

 

[TruthersLie]

Hey red.

Lets compare these shall we?

steel framed building. Steel framed construction.

Now lets look at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel shall we?

Now compare the first picture, with the second one. Pay attention to details. What do you see that is different? (there are 2 major differences in the images)

Do you see the differences red? Are you still going to try to say it is a steel framed building?

 

[bardamu]

his lack of understanding of what the verinage technique does is rather amusing. As is his attempt to say they are silent CD's without understanding how much MORE work would be involved (a lot more than any traditional CD which uses explosives) and how MUCH MORE noticable it would be with huge hydraulic jacks at the roofline of a floor in each and every column... And how MUCH MORE noticable it would be in the debris pile.

Verinage proves that controlled demolition doesn't necessarily involve 124dB bangs. In other words, your argument is bogus.

So, if it was so uniform and symmetrical, how did that occur? If all of the colums failed at the exact same time, or within milliseconds, as you have claimed, what made the building tilt?

If all the columns failed within milliseconds, it was a controlled demolition and therefore an inside job. What happened after that doesn't matter.

So you don't think he believes it was a controlled demolition?

He knows it was a controlled demolition. His look indicates that he realises immediately (some of) the implications.

Not sure it was posted before, and not a wtc7 like building, but caused by fire.

http://www.nuvideo.nl/algemeen/13697/instorting-bouwkunde-tu-delft.html

Sorry. Fails due to lack of suddenness, uniformity, symmetry and completeness.

Nobody died in the WTC7 collapse.

Everything you think you know about WTC appears to be wrong.

Giuliani didn't say he was told that WTC 7 was going to collapse.

Rudy Giuliani: "...we were told the World Trade Center was gonna collapse...".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6357586375896950217

The Fire Department sacrificed their own.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The Fire Department sacrificed their own.

Very few twoofers have the gonads to spew garbage like this.

This is not intended as praise.

 

[twinstead]

Verinage proves that controlled demolition doesn't necessarily involve 124dB bangs. In other words, your argument is bogus.

It also proves that a building can collapse without explosives. Just substitute the plane crash and resulting fires for the pulling of the support like Verinage does. In other words either your argument is bogus, or you think the NWO destroyed the WTC with the Verinage technique, which in that case means your argument is insane.

 

[carlitos]

So nine pages of nonsense, and we're left with either Mothra or those Sharks with nukes?

Seriously, I have highlighted something for bardamu's benefit.

So, if it was so uniform and symmetrical, how did that occur? If all of the colums failed at the exact same time, or within milliseconds, as you have claimed, what made the building tilt?

If all the columns failed within milliseconds, it was a controlled demolition and therefore an inside job. What happened after that doesn't matter.

Here is a hint. Tilted building =/= "columns failed within milliseconds." Please read for comprehension.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Verinage proves that controlled demolition doesn't necessarily involve 124dB bangs. In other words, your argument is bogus.

If all the columns failed within milliseconds, it was a controlled demolition and therefore an inside job. What happened after that doesn't matter.

He knows it was a controlled demolition. His look indicates that he realises immediately (some of) the implications.

Sorry. Fails due to lack of suddenness, uniformity, symmetry and completeness.

Giuliani didn't say he was told that WTC 7 was going to collapse.

Rudy Giuliani: "...we were told the World Trade Center was gonna collapse...".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6357586375896950217

The Fire Department sacrificed their own.

There's no explosive residue in the WTC dust samples!

There was never a CD on 9/11 & it's clearly not an "Inside Job".

He knows that it was a CD just by LOOKING at it? WTF?!?!

That's what happens when a building collapses, its so sudden & complete.

You've just debunked yourself saying that Giuliani wasn't told then was! LMAO!

Hey, saying that the FD "sacrificed their own" is crossing the line. 1 more outburst like that & you'll get an earful from me & other firefighters.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

So nine pages of nonsense, and we're left with either Mothra or those Sharks with nukes?

Seriously, I have highlighted something for bardamu's benefit.

Here is a hint. Tilted building =/= "columns failed within milliseconds." Please read for comprehension.

He's still unable to comprehend that when columns lose their ability to support their loads, the failure is always sudden. tfk worded it pretty nicely some time ago when I was screwing around with the AE911 29 engineers skit; hundreds of parts failed, and the building didn't collapse because there was something left to make up for the slack. Each failure though raises the load that the remaining columns have to carry until one final part snapped and what was left wasn't able to carry it any more. In other words bardamu's complaint about simultaneous failure is not only unfounded, but his objection about it is based on some wickedly blissful ignorance.

 

[TruthersLie]

Verinage proves that controlled demolition doesn't necessarily involve 124dB bangs. In other words, your argument is bogus.

GREAT then you can show me the hydraulic jacks used in the towers or in wtc7. Have you told your twoofie leaders about this insight? It might cause them to dump the nanothermocrapola...

Oh wait... still fails. Hehehehe.

If all the columns failed within milliseconds, it was a controlled demolition and therefore an inside job. What happened after that doesn't matter.

Handwave noted. Please show that the columns failed within miliseconds (yet another word you don't understand).

How does a building which is falling uniformly and symmetrically fall and hit two buildings on opposite sides across the roads and do damage to the ROOF of fitterman hall causing a partial collapse?

it should be an easy thing to answer. And the easy answer is that it did not fall uniformly or symmetrically. It tilted over and hit the buildign across the street while it collapsed.

there goes twoofie lie. Thank you for playing.

Sorry. Fails due to lack of suddenness, uniformity, symmetry and completeness.

There you go again using words you do not understand. Please demonstrate how it fell uniformly. Use images and math to back up your statement. Same with symmetry. (since there was none). I look forward to your thesis.

 

[TruthersLie]

I have maintained it from 9/12. MOTHRA did it.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I have maintained it from 9/12. MOTHRA did it.

 

[twinstead]

I look forward to your thesis.

LOL that's funny. The only thing you'll get is another massive truther argument from incredulity

 

[triforcharity]

If all the columns failed within milliseconds, it was a controlled demolition and therefore an inside job. What happened after that doesn't matter.

Ok, if you say so.

Can you post something that ISN'T a personal belief?

Giuliani didn't say he was told that WTC 7 was going to collapse.

Rudy Giuliani: "...we were told the World Trade Center was gonna collapse...".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6357586375896950217

The Fire Department sacrificed their own.

Ok, you're a sick individual.

PS, can I get a linkey that is not a link to a ******* idiots video? Like, maybe something like NYT or something like that??

PS, I invite you to go down to Manhattan, to 10 House, and say that to their face. You won't, as all you are is a keyboard toughguy and a coward.

 

[bardamu]

Very few twoofers have the gonads to spew garbage like this.

This is not intended as praise.

Did they tell Giuliani the WTC was gonna collapse or not?

So nine pages of nonsense, and we're left with either Mothra or those Sharks with nukes?

Seriously, I have highlighted something for bardamu's benefit.

Here is a hint. Tilted building =/= "columns failed within milliseconds." Please read for comprehension.

Every floor? All the way down?

(Please note I'm not accepting it would even be relevant at the top)

GREAT then you can show me the hydraulic jacks used in the towers or in wtc7. Have you told your twoofie leaders about this insight? It might cause them to dump the nanothermocrapola...

You've lost track of the context. Debunkers say a building collapse can't be a controlled demolition if no loud bangs are recorded on the video soundtracks. Verinage proves that wrong. Verinage also proves that flashes on the outside of the building are not a necessary feature of controlled demolition. Now you're left with one argument: not enough windows were broken in neighbouring buildings. How many windows are broken when the verinage technique is used?

 

[BigAl]

Did they tell Giuliani the WTC was gonna collapse or not?

Yup. About 15 minutes before it did. A NYPD helicopter was close to the fire in the tower and the pilot reported the first bit of the collapse.

So what?

SOURCE:

New York Times columnist Jim Dwyer follows up on the charge that Mayor Giuliani knew the twin towers were going to collapse 15 minutes before it happened. He is the author of 102 Minutes: The Untold Story of the Fight to Survive
Inside the Twin Towers (Times Books, 2005)

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/episodes/2007/10/05/segments/86672 (10 minutes)​