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Split Thread 'Nose-out' footage

parky76 said:
this is why I have Bill Smith on ignore. he actually believe that these videos, are fakes.

he has a pre-conceived notion of what happened that day, and he refuses to allow any evidence, regardless of its source, to convince him otherwise.

this is one reason why 9-11 Truth has failed. because many of them simply refuse to open their eyes.

this is also why many people have compared 9-11 Truth to a cult, or a religion. because soo many Truthers simply refuse to accept anything that may counter their pre-determined truths.

its very sad, but thank God there are only about 3,000 of them.
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Come on Parky....there must have been close to a million people within a mile or two of the WTC and the best you can do is a crowd of a dozen individuals or so ? Seems kind of sparse for Big Al's 'hundreds of thousands of witnesses'
 
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bill smith said:
Come on Parky....there must have been close to a million people within a mile or two of the WTC and the best you can do os a crowd of a dozen individuals or so ? Seems kind of sparse for Big Al's 'hundreds of thousands of witnesses'
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I can't think of a less relevant or interesting point to "debate".

Bill is a troll.
 
so you admit bill that "there must have been close to a million people within a mile or two of the WTC".

Exactly what do you think they were doing between the first and second plane impact?
 
twinstead said:
so you admit bill that "there must have been close to a million people within a mile or two of the WTC".

Exactly what do you think they were doing between the first and second plane impact?
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Heading for the WTC for a look-see like most people would. But where are the videos of the crowds ?
 
twinstead said:
Exactly what do you think they were doing between the first and second plane impact?
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well, obviously, they were NOT looking in the direction of the burning towers to the south.

I mean honestly, the biggest building in America, hit by an airplane, with tons of smoke coming out of it, people leaping to their deaths, why on Earth would people be looking at the WTC?

:blush:
 
bill smith said:
With the best will in the world and speaking as somebody who is reluctant to believe in no-planes I have a serious problem believing that the above Naudet 2 video of a 150-ton plane flying through 33 x 14'' x 14'' x 3/8'' steel box columns without shedding even a single gram of paper-thin aluminium can be authentic. I am shaking my head here.

http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034 Nose Cone

http://nomoregames.net/presentation...al_August_07.ppt_files/slide0049_image039.png Wingtip Snaps


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpYkaoC6LO8 Damage from bird
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http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/photolibrary/photo_details.do?id=12390 part of 175 on the roof of WTC 5
 
bill smith said:
Heading for the WTC for a look-see like most people would. But where are the videos of the crowds ?
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parky76 said:
well, obviously, they were NOT looking in the direction of the burning towers to the south.

I mean honestly, the biggest building in America, hit by an airplane, with tons of smoke coming out of it, people leaping to their deaths, why on Earth would people be looking at the WTC?

:blush:
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Same goes for the camers around the site. Certainly they would be focused on the crowds watching the smoke and fire 1000 feet up and not actually on the fire and smoke 1000 feet up.

I've noticed this occur in many videos including professional sports games. The only reason we get to see football players doing their thing is because the pesky game is being played in depressed area surrounded by raised spectator seating. Obviously the reason the cameras are there is to video the people watching!

When the plane went off the runway in Toronto a few years ago the stupid cameraman was shooting the actuall burning aircraft not the people who were watching......
 
bill smith said:
lol. Looks like it's been through a meat-grinder doesn't it ? I don't even think the paint is scratched.
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So the fact that its obviously been ripped from the aircraft isn't significant damage is it?

You can deduce that the paint is fully intact in this shot? Can you also predict lottery numbers Bill?

"Working at the Federal Building [U.S. Post Office], it was our job to hang swing stage scaffolds from the 7th floor setback roof... While moving one of these 7 foot pieces of aluminum I noticed what looked like an airplane part. I picked it up and it had a serial number on it and something in writing "hydraulic piston"... About a half hour later, the Postal Investigator and an FBI Agent came up to the setback roof. I was asked where exactly did I find it and not to remove anything else, especially anything spray painted in yellow paint... I had my camera and headed for the upper roof and I couldn't believe what I saw. There was a large piece of a landing gear and pieces of airplane parts all over the roof. I took many pictures and quickly left the roof... I'm a construction worker and have almost no knowledge of photography, my pictures are real and authentic and have never been altered in any way. - Louis Briendel"
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Aircraft parts found on the roof of the Post Office.

These were probably there for days or weeks prior to 9/11, right Bill. They were taken up there surreptiously or even air dropped by silent NWO Blackhawks
 
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jaydeehess said:
Same goes for the camers around the site. Certainly they would be focused on the crowds watching the smoke and fire 1000 feet up and not actually on the fire and smoke 1000 feet up.

I've noticed this occur in many videos including professional sports games. The only reason we get to see football players doing their thing is because the pesky game is being played in depressed area surrounded by raised spectator seating. Obviously the reason the cameras are there is to video the people watching!

When the plane went off the runway in Toronto a few years ago the stupid cameraman was shooting the actuall burning aircraft not the people who were watching......
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The average camera user will film the hole for a while and then start looking for other stuff to film....like the crowd. Just not in this case.
 
bill smith said:
Heading for the WTC for a look-see like most people would. But where are the videos of the crowds ?
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So, you agree there were millions of potential witnesses, but until you see a video of them you assume they are all lying, duped, or in on it?
 
bill smith said:
The average camera user will film the hole for a while and then start looking for other stuff to film....like the crowd. Just not in this case.
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The Naudets do what you describe in their 9/11 film.

I gave you the link a few minutes ago. You couldn't possibly have looked at it by now.
 
jaydeehess said:
So the fact that its obviously been ripped from the aircraft isn't significant damage is it?

You can deduce that the paint is fully intact in this shot? Can you also predict lottery numbers Bill?
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When a light aluminium plane goes through maybe 40 x 14'' x 14'' x 3/8'' steel box columns braced at 12-foot intervals against the concrete floors and then destroys a couple of massive core columns and then exits through another wall of steel box columns- yes.....I expect to see a lot more damage than the Armani-type wreckage you are eshowing us.
 
BigAl said:
The Naudets do what you describe in their 9/11 film.

I gave you the link a few minutes ago. You couldn't possibly have looked at it by now.
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Did you count the people ? Were there ever more than a dozen or so ?
 
bill smith said:
The average camera user will film the hole for a while and then start looking for other stuff to film....like the crowd. Just not in this case.
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Now you sound like Officer Barbrady "nothing to see here,,, move along people."

The average human being will only interrupt looking up at a massive building on fire caused by an aircraft having hit it, smoke pouring from it, when his neck gets sore from doing so. If he/she is holding a camera the shot is then usually of the ground at the person's feet.

THAT IS WHY THEY ARE THERE bill.

The average camera user is getting on tape the event that there are there for. You might get video of the people on the street but it will only be incidental shots.
"There's a great big building that's bee hit by a plane and is burning badly,,,,, I wonder of anyone would like video of the bystanders with their heads looking up?"
 
bill smith said:
When a light aluminium plane goes through maybe 40 x 14'' x 14'' x 3/8'' steel box columns braced at 12-foot intervals against the concrete floors and then destroys a couple of massive core columns and then exits through another wall of steel box columns- yes.....I expect to see a lot more damage than the Armani-type wreckage you are eshowing us.
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You assume that anything that travelled the width of the building had to hit a column? Why is that Bill? You do understand what, for instance "12 foot intervals" means, right?
 
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