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Liberals Obsessed With Conservatives?

Eyeron said:
When I made my first post I was not pulling anybody's legs.

Then as you people went on ridiculing me for the way I made my first post, I said to hell with it and went with the flow and started having fun back right at you.

After all, if it's okay to ridicule me for no reason then it should be okay for be to give back in my own way.
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Giving back in your own way means mocking your own position?

Yeah, you show them. :confused:
 
SezMe said:
I read that as saying you initially thought that site was real. That you did not see it as pure satire.

Is that right?
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I read it as he initially thought the War On Christmas was real but then posted a link to the Colbert-based site (SC doesn't actually own the site, does he?) as a way of going "with the flow".

Your interpretation makes a little more sense.



Eyeron, your comment was ridiculed because it was ridiculous and as thoroughly debunked on this board over the years as the claim that Elton John totally copied REO Speedwagon. It has nothing to do with your particular brand of politics.

eta: or this is another example
 
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Eyeron, your comment was ridiculed because it was ridiculous and as thoroughly debunked on this board over the years as the claim that Elton John totally copied REO Speedwagon. It has nothing to do with your particular brand of politics.
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Which was still your failing because you automatically assumed that a person should just automatically know this. I didn't know about that, and a simple thing like "this was debunked here" would've sufficed instead of egging me on and ridiculing me. Being ridiculed instead of giving someone the benefit of the doubt is poor form. So is assuming things about someone, is it not?

Yes I do understand one has to be cautious about the possibility of a person being a troll, there are certainly plenty of them, but sometimes a person is completely new to a site like this, or still just finding things out and may not know something like this subject has been debunked. Sometimes just giving a person a little bit of compassion and showing them a little thing like giving the benefit of the doubt goes a lot further than ridicule and insult.

When a person asks a quetion, and all they get is ridicule and insult, only shows them that they're never going to get a straight answer so why should they ask their questions when they want to know something?

And yes, I did know that site was satire.

And I'm done with this thread.
 
Brainster said:
Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil. It is easier to obsess over evil than it is over stupidity.
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Well you're pretty stupid <-Sarcasm, not actual opinion

It depends on the issue. Many conservatives think liberals are evil for favoring abortion. Many Liberals think that conservatives are stupid for thinking that the way to cure the deficit is to cut taxes.

When will you learn that all generalities are false? <- humor, not opinion
 
Eyeron said:
Which was still your failing because you automatically assumed that a person should just automatically know this.
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Ah, the irony.

You envisioned an army of liberals waging a war on Christmas in the name of political correctness, with the goal of acceptance for the ideas and beliefs of others. And now, you're upset because I'm not gently accepting your ideas and beliefs. I'm not being PC enough.

Eyeron said:
Being ridiculed instead of giving someone the benefit of the doubt is poor form.
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More or less poor form than sticking your foot in your mouth and not only not conceding that you said something stupid but also blaming everyone else for your mistake?

Because that's pretty poor form.


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And yes, I did know that site was satire.
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That'd be the same post where you were still trying to defend that the War on Christmas being perpetrated by liberals?
 
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Eyeron said:
Which was still your failing because you automatically assumed that a person should just automatically know this. I didn't know about that, and a simple thing like "this was debunked here" would've sufficed instead of egging me on and ridiculing me. Being ridiculed instead of giving someone the benefit of the doubt is poor form. So is assuming things about someone, is it not?

Yes I do understand one has to be cautious about the possibility of a person being a troll, there are certainly plenty of them, but sometimes a person is completely new to a site like this, or still just finding things out and may not know something like this subject has been debunked. Sometimes just giving a person a little bit of compassion and showing them a little thing like giving the benefit of the doubt goes a lot further than ridicule and insult.

When a person asks a quetion, and all they get is ridicule and insult, only shows them that they're never going to get a straight answer so why should they ask their questions when they want to know something?
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What you have been through is pretty much par for the course around here. If you post something that has been "thoroughly debunked" (in the minds of some anyhow), people won't ever actually calmly, politely educate you on your mistake in any way. You know, like a kind teacher, or someone who actually wants to help you. The kind of thing you'd expect on an educational forum.

They will, instead, go right for the ridicule and personal assault.

I've said it before and I'll say it till I day. It's intellectually lazy. I could see if someone took the time to actually try to help someone, saw that they were beligerent and unwilling to be helped, and then resorted to the ridicule.

But that's not the case here. Just for stating an opinion that is disagreed with or thought to be "thoroughly debunked", you can count on ridicule and personal attacks as a primary line of attack. And when you point out it's poor form, you'll just get how YOU were the one with poor form to begin with. Certain people here just live to equivacate, attempt to prove hypocrisy, and turn the blame back on others. It's all they know how to do. It's far easier than actually mounting an argument on the specifics.

It's unfortunate, but it's reality here, at least in the politics sub-forum. Pretty much everywhere else the standards apply. Although ridicule is still far too common all over the board. But at least in other areas people use critical thinking and don't fall for the same fallacies over and over. They don't try to personalize the argument with ad hominem attacks. But in politics, it's check your brain at the door, and wear your party affiliation label as a big, bright sticker on the center of your chest.

Flame away folks, the truth shall set you free.. or make you furious and simply resort to insults and ridicule on me as well. The choice is yours.
 
Whiplash said:
What you have been through is pretty much par for the course around here.
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Indeed. It goes like this.

Conservative complains about Those Evil Liberals by posting something like this:

Eyeron said:
For example, in Shrek the king voiced by John Lithgow can be seen as a conservative and Shrek can be seen as a liberal. Conservatives hate mutlicutural groups, as represented by the fairy tale creatures (and we can also infer a hidden message for homosexual marriage in there as well).
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Conservative gets laughed at.

Conservative feels sorry for himself.

Par for the course.

I was going to ask whether you'd like to be laughed at, only it seems that you've skipped straight on to the stage where you feel sorry for yourself.
 
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Whiplash said:
What you have been through is pretty much par for the course around here. If you post something that has been "thoroughly debunked" (in the minds of some anyhow), people won't ever actually calmly, politely educate you on your mistake in any way. You know, like a kind teacher, or someone who actually wants to help you. The kind of thing you'd expect on an educational forum.
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So you believe in the War on Christmas? THem evil liberals are all about destroying the proper christian nation great christians like biblical literalist Tomas Jefferson founded!
 
Whiplash said:
never mind, I loathe hopeless battles.
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Maybe you shouldn't pick the side of intellectual dishonesty then?

I am not saying all conservatives are intellectualy dishonest, but denying that there are many of them that are and defending positions that are intelectualy dishonnest will be a hopeless battle.
 
Whiplash said:
But that's not the case here. Just for stating an opinion that is disagreed with or thought to be "thoroughly debunked", you can count on ridicule and personal attacks as a primary line of attack. And when you point out it's poor form, you'll just get how YOU were the one with poor form to begin with. Certain people here just live to equivacate, attempt to prove hypocrisy, and turn the blame back on others. It's all they know how to do. It's far easier than actually mounting an argument on the specifics.
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Wait, what?

Are you saying that there actually is a liberal war on Christmas or are you saying that it is okay to hold on fast to a belief despite a lack of evidence? Are you saying it isn't bad form to own up to something when one is incorrect?

Are you saying it is okay for you and Eyeron to disparage me but I'm not supposed to disparage you and Eyeron?
 
Al Franken once commented that the idea of a liberal war on Christmas wouldn't make much sense. He especially took issue with the suggestion from some of the more extreme whackadoodles who suggested that Hews were driving that war. He pointed out that most Jews, being more or less of the merchant class, would really not benefit much from less enthusiastic celebration of a holiday that involved a lot of gift-giving.
 
about the ridicule

Ridicule is a way to not have to look at all of a person's arguments, beliefs etc.
An appeal to ridicule by itself is a logical fallacy, but if you can find one thing to legitimately ridicule then you can effectively "poison the well" making any arguments by that person seem laughable.

I think liberals use this tactic a lot and I think it upsets them that Rush Limbaugh is a master of this tactic.

5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
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peptoabysmal said:
Ridicule is a way to not have to look at all of a person's arguments, beliefs etc.
An appeal to ridicule by itself is a logical fallacy, but if you can find one thing to legitimately ridicule then you can effectively "poison the well" making any arguments by that person seem laughable.
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It is only a logical fallacy if you are trying to make a logical argument with it, generally it's only used as a means of dismissing pathetic arguments that aren't worth the effort to address directly.
 
leftysergeant said:
Al Franken once commented that the idea of a liberal war on Christmas wouldn't make much sense. He especially took issue with the suggestion from some of the more extreme whackadoodles who suggested that Hews were driving that war. He pointed out that most Jews, being more or less of the merchant class, would really not benefit much from less enthusiastic celebration of a holiday that involved a lot of gift-giving.
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What's a Hew?
 
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