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Split Thread 'Nose-out' footage

carlitos said:
This is what's so cute about Truthers. Any normal human being who wanted something would contact someone DIRECTLY and ask. They do an online petition. It's like the whole world is virtual.
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LOL! Notice truthers are so lazy, they don't even bother to find out of the names of the people they are addressing. I guess if one of them just happens to be surfing "petitionsonline" they will see it.
 
Dave Rogers said:
No, I don't confirm anything of the sort. The Chopper 5 video was not shown live, and it doesn't show the nose of the plane coming out the other side of the building. Do you plan on learning to read any time soon?

Dave
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So your position is that the chopper 5 video of the plane penetrating the Tower was not shown live on 9/11 ? Presumably , as requested you are not obfuscating this time. Then how do you account for the 'Live' caption on the film and what appears to be verbatim live commentary describing what the video shows ?

Surely you were not trying to confuse the issue Dave ?

Thanks to bardamu for the video.
 
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Macgyver1968 said:
LOL! Notice truthers are so lazy, they don't even bother to find out of the names of the people they are addressing. I guess if one of them just happens to be surfing "petitionsonline" they will see it.
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This could be a whole theme.

Truthers are so lazy ... (audience: "How lazy are they!") ... punchline.

For example, the reason that none of them ever go to the truth "meetup" is that they think by virtually clicking on it, that they actually did it. They don't realize that there is a real world, much less have a clue how to meaningfully participate with it. With a few exceptions, I wonder if they even go outside.
 
carlitos said:
This is what's so cute about Truthers. Any normal human being who wanted something would contact someone DIRECTLY and ask. They do an online petition. It's like the whole world is virtual.
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Macgyver1968 said:
LOL! Notice truthers are so lazy, they don't even bother to find out of the names of the people they are addressing. I guess if one of them just happens to be surfing "petitionsonline" they will see it.
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I'm fairly sure that Ace Baker spoke to the TV companies first and even offered them good money for a copy of the original footage. He's also willing to pay for a good-quality VHS recording.


fitzgibbon said:
And you wonder why it is that the FOX original footage (if in fact you've actually seen it) doesn't show your cherished "nose out"? You don't seem to care to understand why it appeared to show it in the first place.
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If FOX would agree to release a good-quality copy of the footage, you wouldn't need to spend so much of your time dreaming up imaginative explanations for the nose out. You should sign the petition.
 
bardamu said:
I'm fairly sure that Ace Baker spoke to the TV companies first and even offered them good money for a copy of the original footage. He's also willing to pay for a good-quality VHS recording.
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You're fairly sure? If he did actually do that, then why even bother with an online petition?

If FOX would agree to release a good-quality copy of the footage, you wouldn't need to spend so much of your time dreaming up imaginative explanations for the nose out. You should sign the petition.
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You should read this about online petitions:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
 
bardamu said:
I'm fairly sure that Ace Baker spoke to the TV companies first and even offered them good money for a copy of the original footage. He's also willing to pay for a good-quality VHS recording.

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"good quality" and "VHS" do not belong in the same sentence.
Even SVHS, which is what broadcast quality was at one time, isn't much better.
 
twinstead said:
That's how I know old bill is just yanking our chains. He's Devil's advocate all the way. NOBODY is that stupid in real life.
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Hear hear.Good old Bill,always trolling for a reaction,still,everyone needs a hobby.
 
bardamu said:
I'm fairly sure that Ace Baker spoke to the TV companies first and even offered them good money for a copy of the original footage. He's also willing to pay for a good-quality VHS recording.
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His idea of good money and theirs aren't necessarily in the same ballpark. And guess whose idea trumps? And getting a VHS recording brings things right back to the whole low-resolution (VHS resolution is about half NTSC full-raster standard-definition resolution).

You familiar with GIGO? Garbage in, Garbage out? Plus, again, we have the whole digitising from an analogue format to a consumer-grade editing platform with codecs that toss away gobs of information. Then it's cut, output to a (likely-humungous) file which he'll attempt to upload to YouTube (whose compression scheme is as subtle and refined as a chainsaw) and then he'll go "See? See? It's a conspiracy!" which will be evident to nobody to but truthers. This is the video equivalent of seeing Jesus in a piece of toast.

bardamu said:
fitzgibbon said:
And you wonder why it is that the FOX original footage (if in fact you've actually seen it) doesn't show your cherished "nose out"? You don't seem to care to understand why it appeared to show it in the first place.
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If FOX would agree to release a good-quality copy of the footage, you wouldn't need to spend so much of your time dreaming up imaginative explanations for the nose out. You should sign the petition.
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Here. I'll buy you a clue. You're new here. You probably don't have the first clue of what I do for a living. I'm a television editor. Have been for 18 years. Was a tape operator, master control switcher, production switcher, studio/remote/EFP/ENG cameraman and occasional audio guy in the 12 years prior to that.

I don't have to imagine diddly. I've been working with this stuff since the 70's. You'll have to do better than that to dent my tin, little man. If you don't want to understand, fine! Just don't pretend that you have a clue when somebody asks though.
 
so, let me get this straight. 9-11 Troothers are arguing that there were 2 planes that hit the WTC, AND the media has pre-made videos of planes hitting the WTC?

is that what I am reading here?
 
I just skimmed this thread, wanted to pass on that Ronald Wieck emailed me and mentioned they covered the 'nose-out' nonsense in a Hardfire show. I found a copy here:



 
bill smith said:
I will look timorrow but I think that you are horribly exposed in what you said earlier..
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I know of several people, including relatives, who saw the 2nd plane hit.

do you think they are liars or just brainwashed by fluoride?
 
bardamu said:
You expect Simon Shack to use the Hezerkhani video in his analysis of the Chopper 5 shot?
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Oh you are just limiting it to the chopper 5 shot? Why is that? I mean with dozens of video images of a jet (clearly a passenger jet) striking the tower, why limit it to one grainy, out of focus, highly zoomed shot from a distance away?

Why do that?
I have clearly shown you video showing there is no nose in, nose out. All three clearly show the impact of 175. The Nose in/Engine Out video clearly shows what happened.

Why do you no planers take bad out of focus, massively zoomed images and then try to spin an argument while ignoring all of the rest of the video images?

I've already shown you that Lawson doesn't know his subject.
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Lawson clearly and utterly destroys simonshack. He points out the lies and deceptions of the no brainers... oops, I mean no planers.


If it's not clear which pictures are ejected debris and which are the nose of a 767, it kind of does prove the point.
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Yes it proves the point that if you take fuzzy, out of focus, highly zoomed video and then compress it to examine it you will see almost whatever you want... I'm sure we could find bigfoot in that footage somewhere if we tried hard enough... just stand back from your computer, squint your left eye and hop on one foot.

There are currently 535 signatures on the petition.

http://www.petitiononline.com/Video911/petition.html
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Oh so there aer 535 people out of a country of 300 million (and a world population of over 5 BILLION. so let me do the math on the ... oh **** it... that is less than one tenth of one hundredths of one percent. yea... wow... with numbers like that one day you might just be relevant... in like 3050
 
there are I think at least 6 videos of the 2nd plane hit. none of them have any strange anamollies.

therefore, due to this and the eyewitnessing of my relatives and friends, I have NO doubt that 2 planes hit two towers on 9-11-01.

and neither should anyone else, of sound mind.
 
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