9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Amazer]

- regarding the first quote: it is a threat spoken in public. Chrustchev once openly threatened that the SU would bury the West. Nothing happened. Saying is one thing, doing so another.
- regarding the second quote: do you understand what a partisan is? You probably think a Democrats or Republicans voter. Let me enlighten you: a partisan in this context is someone who tries to kill Germans. Nobody denies the ruthless operations of the Einsatzgruppen.

But in contrast of your quotes from 1941 I have another one, Goebbels's diary entry for 30 May 1942:



http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/judgement/05.014.3

I hope that you are aware that it was Hitler who was in charge, not Himmler or Goebbels.

This is end may 1942. Another clear indication that no extermination of civilians was going on at least as long as the Germans were winning and that was until early 1943. Hitler wanted to remove the Jews from Western Europe, hence the transportations to Eastern Europe where they could support the war effort as forced labourers. In another independent communication (with Lammers) Hitler had already said a month earlier that he wanted to solve the 'Jewish Problem' after the war.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Schlegelberger/DocItself0342.html
(April 1942).

And that makes perfect sense if you want to ship the Jews to Central Africa. You can only do that after you won.

And this is proof that the Wannsee protokol was exactly that: a deportations and forced labourers program and nothing else.

Question:

What do you think changed after it became apparent that Germany was losing the war? Do you think that might have had an impact on how the Nazis planned to make Europe free of Jews?

 

[Thunder]

Meanwhile I have spent a full day and a half now making a summary of the 3000 posts in this thread and a list of the many topics that where not addressed so far.

sorry, had to do it.

 

[Trojan]

Meanwhile I have spent a full day and a half now making a summary of the 3000 posts in this thread and a list of the many topics that where not addressed so far. .

Will this include the claims you have not addressed?

 

[Nonpareil]

After dudalb, parky76 is the second one who is showing signs of immanent 'folding'. They both realize their case is hopeless.

Perhaps you missed the quotes that others did of my previous posts. We are not retreating. We are abandoning the thread in pity and disgust.

Meanwhile I have spent a full day and a half now making a summary of the 3000 posts in this thread and a list of the many topics that where not addressed so far.

So that's roughly... all of them, right?

I'm now in post 1400, resulting in a Word document of 250 pages, after filtering all the garbage and name calling out resulting in a much better overview of the results so far.

Oh, so you took out your own posts then. Good idea.

Skeptic doesn't say it openly but he suggests that killing me is the best way to 'deal with me', just like in the good ol' days of communism, where his ilk practised that method on a daily basis, by the millions. But most people don't realize that because the Spielbergs of this world prefer making phantasy movies about the Nazis.

Dude, it's called a joke. Ever heard of one?

<snip derail attempt>

Nice try.

- regarding the first quote: it is a threat spoken in public. Chrustchev once openly threatened that the SU would bury the West. Nothing happened. Saying is one thing, doing so another.

And yet you take the fact that the German officials once publicly considered deporting the Jews as proof that they did.
Thanks for illustrating your double standard.

- regarding the second quote: do you understand what a partisan is? You probably think a Democrats or Republicans voter. Let me enlighten you: a partisan in this context is someone who tries to kill Germans.

No. It isn't.

Nobody denies the ruthless operations of the Einsatzgruppen.

But in contrast of your quotes from 1941 I have another one, Goebbels's diary entry for 30 May 1942:

http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/judgement/05.014.3

Again, you take the fact that Hitler considered - note the non-concrete nature of that word - deporting the Jews as proof that he actually did.

I hope that you are aware that it was Hitler who was in charge, not Himmler or Goebbels.

And yet Himmler and Goebbels both stated that Hitler intended to kill the Jews, as did Hitler himself.

This is end may 1942. Another clear indication that no extermination of civilians was going on at least as long as the Germans were winning and that was until early 1943.

No.

The large-scale killings of Jews in the occupied Soviet territories was assigned to SS formations called Einsatzgruppen ("task groups"), under the overall command of Heydrich. These had been used on a limited scale in Poland in 1939, but were now organized on a much larger scale. Einsatzgruppe A (commanded by SS-Brigadeführer Dr. Franz Stahlecker) was assigned to the Baltic area, Einsatzgruppe B (SS-Brigadeführer Artur Nebe) to Belarus, Einsatzgruppe C (SS-Gruppenführer Dr. Otto Rasch) to north and central Ukraine, and Einsatzgruppe D (SS-Gruppenführer Dr. Otto Ohlendorf) to Moldova, south Ukraine, the Crimea, and, during 1942, the north Caucasus. Of the four Einsatzgruppen, three were commanded by holders of doctorate degrees, of whom one (Rasch) held a double doctorate.[96]

According to Ohlendorf at his trial, "the Einsatzgruppen had the mission to protect the rear of the troops by killing the Jews, Gypsies, Communist functionaries, active Communists, and all persons who would endanger the security." In practice, their victims were nearly all defenseless Jewish civilians (not a single Einsatzgruppe member was killed in action during these operations). By December 1941, the four Einsatzgruppen listed above had killed, respectively, 125,000, 45,000, 75,000, and 55,000 people—a total of 300,000 people—mainly by shooting or with hand grenades at mass killing sites outside the major towns.

Source.

Hitler wanted to remove the Jews from Western Europe, hence the transportations to Eastern Europe where they could support the war effort as forced labourers. In another independent communication (with Lammers) Hitler had already said a month earlier that he wanted to solve the 'Jewish Problem' after the war.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Schlegelberger/DocItself0342.html
(April 1942).

And that makes perfect sense if you want to ship the Jews to Central Africa. You can only do that after you won.

Wanted to. And it makes equal sense to wait until after the war to implement the death camp operations - you wouldn't need to dedicate so many soldiers and other staff to the running of the camps.

And this is proof that the Wannsee protokol was exactly that: a deportations and forced labourers program and nothing else.

No, it isn't.

 

[Kurse]

Wait, he's still talking?
Seriously, Yahoo just stopped sending messages to me regarding this thread, lmao. Anyways, have fun everyone. =)
I stopped caring what he thought on page one, so theres no reason for me to stay on page 77.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

P.S. watch this tough American recognizing the danger the US is in.

Hilarious! Some moron is saying that the USA is being "controlled by Israel" and complains that Fox won't broadcast him......as it is a "jewish conspiracy". If you consider Fox is Australian company then shouldn't he be complaining about an "Australian conspiracy" to keep him off air because Australians don't like morons? He's right....there is an anti-moron conspiracy going on.

 

[Thunder]

let it die guys. let it die.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

- regarding the first quote: it is a threat spoken in public. Chrustchev once openly threatened that the SU would bury the West. Nothing happened. Saying is one thing, doing so another.

Your quotes are a mess. Khrushchev said that the Soviet union was only 50 years old and the economic power of the soviet union would bury the west economically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_will_bury_you

- Let me enlighten you: a partisan in this context is someone who tries to kill Germans. Nobody denies the ruthless operations of the Einsatzgruppen.

No, let me enlighten you. There were no partisans in Germany. Partisans are a para-military force that fight an occupying enemy in their own homeland. In context, these people are freedom fighters who had to blow up their own railway systems to counter german occupation.

 

[Nonpareil]

let it die guys. let it die.

^-this-^

 

[carlitos]

pathetic

- regarding the first quote: it is a threat spoken in public. Chrustchev once openly threatened that the SU would bury the West. Nothing happened. Saying is one thing, doing so another.
- regarding the second quote: do you understand what a partisan is? You probably think a Democrats or Republicans voter. Let me enlighten you: a partisan in this context is someone who tries to kill Germans. Nobody denies the ruthless operations of the Einsatzgruppen.

But in contrast of your quotes from 1941 I have another one, Goebbels's diary entry for 30 May 1942:



http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/judgement/05.014.3

I hope that you are aware that it was Hitler who was in charge, not Himmler or Goebbels.

This is end may 1942. Another clear indication that no extermination of civilians was going on at least as long as the Germans were winning and that was until early 1943. Hitler wanted to remove the Jews from Western Europe, hence the transportations to Eastern Europe where they could support the war effort as forced labourers. In another independent communication (with Lammers) Hitler had already said a month earlier that he wanted to solve the 'Jewish Problem' after the war.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Schlegelberger/DocItself0342.html
(April 1942).

And that makes perfect sense if you want to ship the Jews to Central Africa. You can only do that after you won.

And this is proof that the Wannsee protokol was exactly that: a deportations and forced labourers program and nothing else.

I had to post this half a dozen times to get a reply, and this is it? Yeah, let the thread die.

 

[9/11-investigator]

As if that signifies something. Less than 35% voted in the EU elections. I predict he does very bad at the next elections.

100% wrong prediction. The anti-immigration party PVV scored an ex acquo nr 1 position shared with the Christian Democrats, just like the polls predicted. They will dominate Dutch politics for years to come.

 

[Nonpareil]

100% wrong prediction. The anti-immigration party PVV scored an ex acquo nr 1 position shared with the Christian Democrats, just like the polls predicted. They will dominate Dutch politics for years to come.

Off topic and bare assertion.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

100% wrong prediction. The anti-immigration party PVV scored an ex acquo nr 1 position shared with the Christian Democrats, just like the polls predicted. They will dominate Dutch politics for years to come.

Yes, I'm very sure you were very close to Pym Fortuyn and you would be right behind him, 100%. I can imagine you two, arms linked, walking around the Noordermarkt buying "nick nacks" for the office and offering passerby's your views on rascism. Sadly, you had to break up with Pym but you have fallen into the arms of a new right wing party.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Yes, I'm very sure you were very close to Pym Fortuyn and you would be right behind him, 100%.

I voted for Pim, yes. Or rather I voted for his corps (murder may 6, elections may 15, 2002).

I can imagine you two, arms linked,

Umm, rather not, he was gay.

walking around the Noordermarkt buying "nick nacks" for the office and offering passerby's your views on rascism.

I am afraid that you are as badly informed about Fortuyn as you are on the holocaust. This guy was nr 2 on his list.

The only way to prove that you are not a racist in the eyes of extreme lefties like yourselves is that one has to show a willingness to give your country away to alien and often hostile groups. Thanks but no thanks. Then I prefer being called a 'racist', whatever that may be. Not even Parky holds these views.

Sadly, you had to break up with Pym but you have fallen into the arms of a new right wing party.

Yep, the largest party in the Netherlands in the polls and in the latest EU elections. Here is blondie the PVV leader on tour in America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOCcx5V9RI

BTW he is Jewish.

I prefer Pim Fortuyn over this neocon Geert Wilders (he is supported by Alan Deshovitz and even met recently with that fraud Elie Wiesel), but unfortunately the Pimmebaas is dead. Wilders needs day and night protection against death threats from extreme left wing scum and radical muslim fundamentalists. My hands are itching but we can't do anything until ZOG-America goes belly up in order to avoid a repetition of the Serbia scenario. A few more years of patience is all that is called for at the moment.

 

[Nonpareil]

Still a derail. Let it drop, Matthew. He's trying to run away from his failure again.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I had to post this half a dozen times to get a reply, and this is it? Yeah, let the thread die.

That's all you have to say? Carlitos gets debunked and is now heading for the exit. Byebye Carlitos, mind the step on your way out.

 

[Nonpareil]

Okay, yeah, time to euthanize this thread. Everyone just stop posting.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Okay, yeah, time to euthanize this thread. Everyone just stop posting.

Fair enough. It is not going anywhere. I'll follow your good advice.

 

[sonofgloin]

Fair enough. It is not going anywhere. I'll follow your good advice.

Mathew all discussion takes someone somewhere. I had a reasonable overview of the politics of the region from the late 1800's to the war years but the genocide was a subject known of and accepted but not researched. Setting aside the beastiality of the murderers, I looked at the political motivators and anti semitic history of the countries and in particular provinces within that country, and found a foundation of resentment and contempt for the Jews. This in no way absolves a single action as the motives for participation are always personal in the end. Why I bring this point up is a news item about some other than German former camp guard that they are trying to extradite. I care nothing for him or his future, he is probably guilty, but what does concern me is the type of bias exhibited in the minimisation of the Jewish part played in the descruction of Jews in Europe. I found this sad piece of infoon the net

[QUOTE/ Israel Shahak]In the Warsaw ghetto, even during the period of the first massive extermination (June to October 1943), one saw almost no German soldiers. Nearly all the work of administration, and later the work of transporting hundreds of thousands of Jews to their deaths, was carried out by Jewish collaborators. Before the outbreak of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (the planning of which only started after the extermination of the majority of Jews in Warsaw), the Jewish underground killed, with perfect justification, every Jewish collaborator they could find. If they had not done so the Uprising could never have started. The majority of the population of the Ghetto hated the collaborators far more than the German Nazis. Every Jewish child was taught, and this saved the lives of some of them "if you enter a square from which there are three exits, one guarded by a German SS man, one by an Ukrainian and one by a Jewish policeman, then you should first try to pass the German, and then maybe the Ukrainian, but never the Jew".

This is the site it came from http://www.ety.com/HRP/jewishstudies/crimesgermanocc.htm

I have also read of Jewish Police stripping off their arm bands and joining their families when they found that they were to be deported.

But is Israel Shahak's experience accurate, given he was there, and he is a credible humanitarian. He poses the question as to why Jewish collaborators are not hunted down as are the Germans, Latvians, Ukrainians, and others. I believe the glossing over of responsibilty for a major role in the mechanics of the event is a dis service to the murdered.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Fair enough. It is not going anywhere. I'll follow your good advice.

It's certainly not going in your direction, that's for sure and hence your decision to call it a day. Matthew, who confided earlier that he had been 'destroyed' (#2409) by a revisionist before, now throws the towel in the ring. For a second time. A pity since he was not the dummest around. Now I am stuck with Trojan and his doctored Krema V picture.

On a happier note: the majority of the British soldiers who once fought for their country (in a unnecessary war of choice instigated by corrupt elements in their political class) now hold the view, and openly so, that they deplore the state of their country:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html#ixzz0XhXkDxEf

Some quotes:

"This isn't the Britain we fought for,' say the 'unknown warriors' of WWII...

Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally. But was it worth it? Her answer - and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s - is a resounding No....

They despise what has become of the Britain they once fought to save. It's not our country any more, they say, in sorrow and anger..."

Translation: 'there are too many foreigners'.

"What is extraordinary about the 150 replies he received, which he has now published as a book, is their vehement insistence that those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war would now be turning in their graves...

But the truth that emerges from these letters is that the survivors of that war generation have nothing but contempt for his government...

Immigration tops the list of complaints...

Many writers are bewildered and overwhelmed by a multicultural Britain that, they say bitterly, they were never consulted about nor feel comfortable with....

'Our country has been given away to foreigners while we, the generation who fought for freedom, are having to sell our homes for care and are being refused medical services because incomers come first...'"

Well, well, where is Hitler when you need him? Under him this multiculti desaster wouldn't have happened. Hitler, the greatest admirer Britain ever had (I think he overdid it), who had even offered to support Britain in maintaining it's global empire with German troops, who deliberately let the Brits escape from Dunkirk (there never was a 'miracle of Dunkirk') was destroyed by a fat alcoholic, paid by London Jews to do the dirty work for them. After everything was over, the corrupt hooligan understood what he had done: large parts of Eastern Europe were handed over to mass-murdering Soviets. The British empire was dismantled by the other bully (land-lease act) making Britain an even bigger loser than Germany. That's what you get when you let foreigners like Churchill (half American) rule your country.

'We slaughtered the wrong pig', Churchill muttered after the war. That's right, Winston. But your insight came too late. The irreparable damage was done. Thanks to your efforts the European world had signed it's own death warrant. A group that was deeply hostile to European civilization was the real winner of WW2. Here is one representative of that group busy destroying the West around the clock even further:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZNQ6bTEOwY
(In minute 7:31 Geraldo gleefully says that by the end of the century the Latino's will be a majority. Wonderfull isn't it, 'Greatest Generation'? Just what you always wanted! Why living in a European society if you can live in a Mexican hell hole?)

History will judge harshly on you, Winston. And once the full truth about WW2 and the 'holocaust' will emerge people will realize that the wrong party lost: meaning the Germans and the British.