The VFF Test is On!

BTMO said:
Sorry, but you are wrong.
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I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying, the protocol was bad (information leakage which means the results were inconclusive). It was poor design, and a great many things (like how the subjects were chosen and assigned to groups, a lot of stuff about the physical procedure, etc.) weren't specified in the protocol at all.

These issues don't go away because we got the outcome we expected.

ETA: And worst of all, I think, is that both Anita and the IIG are likely to tout this as a part of a $50K challenge, even though it wasn't. The only thing they had agreed to regarding a protocol for the $50K test was that the protocol used today wasn't it. Anita will try to play games with the statistics and try to paint her results as 2 out of three right (or at least 1.5 out of 3 right). Even though it was a lot of fun, I think it would have been better not to do the test with this protocol.
 
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volatile said:
No... because it was 3 independent tests, not one test of 36...
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Maybe I am wrong, but they were three tests in a row that I think could be considered as one test for statistical analysis.
And did anyone notice that Palin is much more attractive? I mean Michael.
Nod, nod, wink,wink.
 
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bookitty said:
1:33 ustreamer-15131: But I feel like I got 50% correct, and 50% incorrect. So where do I go from there?
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If this was Anita, how does she get 50% from one half correct guess in three tests? Methinks that her self proclaimed 4.0 does not include any form of Math.

Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
If this was Anita, how does she get 50% from one half correct guess in three tests? Methinks that her self proclaimed 4.0 does not include any form of Math.

Norm
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In fairness, I think that 50/50 stuff was just about her 3rd round result. (She wants credit for picking the correct subject but the wrong side.) But the M.C. pointed out that there was only one result to the test, agreed to ahead of time, and she failed it.
 
If she were guessing, I'd say that giving her credit for something over 1/3 might be reasonable. But if she were seeing missing kidneys, the right-person-wrong-kidney is just embarrassing.

Imagine I have the ability to see whether people are missing their arms. I look at a guy and notice he's missing an arm. I pick him, claiming that I can't see his right arm (which he has), but I can see his left arm (which he's missing).

Nope. That's not half right. That's just... silly. If anything, it's proof that I can't see his arms at all.
 
Many thanks to the IIG for bringing this off.
I followed the thing, of course.
From the audience, a gentleman demonstrated and explained how the 'body language' micro movements of the subjects could be read and woven into a plausible guess/perception. For me, that was possiby the most interesting part of the demonstration.
 
fromdownunder said:
If this was Anita, how does she get 50% from one half correct guess in three tests? Methinks that her self proclaimed 4.0 does not include any form of Math.

Norm
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She did have one completely correct hit in the second trial, both person and kidney. She also chose the correct person in the third trial but the wrong kidney. In the post-trial interview she claimed a 50% success rate despite saying that she knew she failed the third trial because her power shut off due to fatigue and she was just guessing.

She doesn't seem to understand that a half-hit is not a hit. She already made excuses for it's failure anyway.
 
Hokulele said:
If that is truly Anita, that is probably the saddest part of the entire test.
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I said in the StopVfF chat that I imagined Anita still sitting there, in the test room, as the chairs were packed away and the lights turned off, still talking and talking and talking... the woo version of Jackson Browne's "Load Out/Stay."

People stay, just a little bit longer
I wanna play, just a little bit longer...

It is sad. I feel bad for Anita.
 
Hello and thank you for watching the IIG Paranormal Challenge Preliminary Demonstration of Anita Ikonen.

Volatile/Kariboo/GeeMack, you have mentioned having an archive of the chat text. Since this was the IIG's first time doing this sort of streaming video we did not know how to archive the chat text. If you could please email me what you have it would be greatly appreciated. My email address is derek AT iigwest DOT org.

We plan on posting all of the various documents/videos on the IIG website in the near future (including the audience's attempts at determining who was missing what kidney), but for the next few days we will need to rest and recuperate.

Thanks.

-Derek
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
ETA: Also, many of the issues I have with the protocol weren't reflected in how the test was actually conducted. For example, the protocol did not specify that all the subjects would have the same color and style t-shirt and wear the same straw hats and head cloths.
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upstreamer 61021 said:
Are bee-keepers prone to kidney disease?
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:)
 
bookitty said:
I found the whole thing horribly sad. The spectacle this girl is making of herself in order to maintain an illusion that does not benefit her in any real way. One can only hope that she'll realize she didn't lose, she was thrown a life-line. She can now escape the trap she's built around herself and move forward into a happier adulthood that is less reliant on silly props and pronouncements. I wish her all the best.
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If, as some here have thought, she is setting herself up for a life in woo, then she has probably succeeded, because the believers will buy any spin she weaves around the test. To them, she has genuine mystical powers.


M.
 
Who was the guy that interviewed her after the results - asked about what she thought of the results, what she had hoped to achieve with the test ect..?
Was that the psychiatrist that was mentioned in the chat?
 
I agree that Anita getting the right person, wrong kidney is in itself proof that she does not have this ability. She seems to see this pick as making the test inconclusive - but it actually makes it more conclusive.
 
Moochie said:
If, as some here have thought, she is setting herself up for a life in woo, then she has probably succeeded, because the believers will buy any spin she weaves around the test. To them, she has genuine mystical powers.


M.
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Did you hear the old man in the question session afterwards? He's a convert all right!
 
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