Palin Goes Rogue on Vegans

I'm evil for preferring my steak medium-well?

Gosh. That's good to know.

I got real sick eating undercooked meat once and never want to have to spend three days vomiting up blood ever again. I'm extremely paranoid about any meat that's not very well cooked now. I'm sorry if that makes me sub-human.
 
Whiplash said:
I really don't understand why some subjects and some people cause other people to get into such a mad frenzy about it.

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We have to come together. We have to learn to recognize that not every single thing the other side believes is evil, and not every single thing that we believe is correct. We have to lower the drama by a factor of about 10,000.

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Fair enough. I admit, I'm often contradictory. I'm often hypocritical. I'm often insecure.. overly sensitive.. obnoxious.. condescending.. insert negative adjective here.
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Grab a great big mirror, stare hard directly into it and you'll find the answer to the first question quoted above.
 
Morrigan said:
I agree with Tricky, it was a joke.
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I also agree with Tricky. It was a joke and at least some vegans would laugh at it.


That said, I would have more class than making that kind of joke to a vegetarian guest I'd be having, UNLESS it's someone I know really well and I know s/he would get a chuckle out of it. It's a little rude to make fun of your guests, no? Then again I rarely never have guests except friends and immediate family. *shrugs*
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I might not have more class, and I might tell the joke to a vegetarian guest. But not to guests that I thought were religious or who were particularly sensitive about their veganism.

I am ambivalent as to whether Palin deserves any criticism for her joke or not. The joke was mildly funny and it appealed to her base by poking a little fun at people outside the base. Some, not completely objective humor targeted at people you don't agree with is not all that great a sin if it's a sin at all.

Far more problematic to me, are Palin's simplistic notions about how the US is the good guys and the people we have disputes with aren't. That kind of stuff can play well for a politician but it can also lead to completely pointless conflicts as leaders on both sides manipulate their populations into believing that their causes are righteous and war against the evil other guys is necessary.

So, for me, this Palin quote is pretty innocuous and I'd cut her some slack about it. Unfortunately, the joke is only part of a general pattern by Palin to use simplistic, divisive rhetoric driven by partisanship and self interest with little regard for truth.
 
Travis said:
I'm evil for preferring my steak medium-well?

Gosh. That's good to know.

I got real sick eating undercooked meat once and never want to have to spend three days vomiting up blood ever again. I'm extremely paranoid about any meat that's not very well cooked now. I'm sorry if that makes me sub-human.
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Since when is being wrong evil or sub-human? :)

Seriously though, you make a good case for why you prefer well-done. Fortunately, I have never had that experience, and for me, the flavor and texture of medium rare meat is so superior that risking such an experience (because I have not yet had one) seems like a reasonable risk to get more enjoyment out of the food.
 
To muddy the waters a bit:

According to a review published Sunday in The New York Times, Palin knocks evolution in her new book.

Elsewhere in this volume, she talks about creationism, saying she “didn’t believe in the theory that human beings — thinking, loving beings — originated from fish that sprouted legs and crawled out of the sea” or from “monkeys who eventually swung down from the trees.” In everything that happens to her, from meeting Todd to her selection by Mr. McCain for the Republican ticket, she sees the hand of God: “My life is in His hands. I encourage readers to do what I did many years ago, invite Him in to take over.”

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MSNBC notes that Palin also discusses a conversation she had with McCain's campaign advisor, Steve Schmidt, in her book.

"But your dad's a science teacher," Schmidt objected. "Yes." "Then you know that science proves evolution," added Schmidt. "Parts of evolution," I said. "But I believe that God created us and also that He can create an evolutionary process that allows species to change and adapt." Schmidt winced and raised his eyebrows. In the dim light, his sunglasses shifted atop his hear. I had just dared to mention the C-word: creationism. But I felt I was on solid factual ground.
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http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2009/11/16/sarah-palin-and-evolution.aspx
 
cwalner said:
Since when is being wrong evil or sub-human? :)

Seriously though, you make a good case for why you prefer well-done. Fortunately, I have never had that experience, and for me, the flavor and texture of medium rare meat is so superior that risking such an experience (because I have not yet had one) seems like a reasonable risk to get more enjoyment out of the food.
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Substituting the bad steak for us "medium-wellers" does happen and it bugs me because I can tell the difference. It's made me very picky about the steakhouses I go to and lately I usually just go and pick out a nice cut and cook it at home where I can put some care into it.
 
Hitler takes more flack than Sarah on these forums.

Why do people hate vegetarians?
 
I suggest we stop this irrelevant line of arguing about Palin and get back to the important task of deciding if we want to have sex with her or not.
 
Travis said:
I'm evil for preferring my steak medium-well?

Gosh. That's good to know.

I got real sick eating undercooked meat once and never want to have to spend three days vomiting up blood ever again. I'm extremely paranoid about any meat that's not very well cooked now. I'm sorry if that makes me sub-human.
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The food-borne-illness-causing bacteria that are most likely to found in beef are surface bacteria. So, if you're having whole cuts of beef, such as steak, then it will be rendered safe as long as long as the outer surface is heated sufficiently. A good sear will do it.

Hamburger is another story, since the meat is ground and mixed, the "surface" get's distributed throughout.
 
ZirconBlue said:
The food-borne-illness-causing bacteria that are most likely to found in beef are surface bacteria. So, if you're having whole cuts of beef, such as steak, then it will be rendered safe as long as long as the outer surface is heated sufficiently. A good sear will do it.
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Unless the cow has a blood-borne bacterial infection. Unlikely, but you never know.
 
quarky said:
Why do people hate vegetarians?
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I think the responses to Palins comments show one of the bad sides of human natures. We like to belittle, make fun of, and otherwise demean those who think differently then us. But I expect few will say they hate them. Just like left doesn't hate right and vice versa, Christians don't hate Muslims, and vice versa. Whites don't hate blacks, and vide versa.

The rhetoric is the same, as is the denial1. What's different is the depth of the feelings. For some it's just good natured fun, others much worse, but the DNA is very similar.


1. Much like we're all great drivers :)
 
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Since ignoring or going contrary to political correctness is so much fun, why not, instead of bending over backwards to not insult the rabbits and their rabbit food, why not continue to talk about the joys of eating roasted slabs of flesh?

It is sooooo yummy. Especially with crushed peppercorns and a couple of baby carrots with the leaves still on.
 
mhaze said:
This is the curious fact that we discuss. What's your opinion?
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You have probably heard the term "fear of a black president"? I am gonna go with "fear of a retard president" for the lefts reaction to Palin.
 
Ausmerican said:
You have probably heard the term "fear of a black president"? I am gonna go with "fear of a retard president" for the lefts reaction to Palin.
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Libs would have to call it the "fear of a learning disability president" in keeping with their oath to political correctness. Oh wait, maybe the PC goes out the window when libs have Palin in their sights
 
As a generally better educated lot, the "libs" would make the distinction based on the actual differences between retardation and having a learning disability. I don't think Palin in either -- I think she's willfully ignorant, which is or course is the worst kind and most deserving of derision.
 
Cynic said:
As a generally better educated lot, the "libs" would make the distinction based on the actual differences between retardation and having a learning disability. I don't think Palin in either -- I think she's willfully ignorant, which is or course is the worst kind and most deserving of derision.
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When have libs allowed the use of the word "retardation" outside of ridiculing their political foes? The only acceptable phrases, regardless of any distinctions, are cognitive disabilities, mentally challenged, learning disabilities, or special education.

For a supposedly "better educated lot," many of them are suckers for unbearablebobness.typepad.com generated quotes falsely attributed to Palin. You know, the very same quote that you and Matt Damon believed to be true.

Cynic said:
I agree with his statements (the two that I previously said I agreed with).
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Ausmerican said:
You have probably heard the term "fear of a black president"? ....
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Nope, never have. Probably because most of the people I know don't fear silly little things like skin color.

Ever heard the term "fear of a red president"?
 
mhaze said:
Nope, never have. Probably because most of the people I know don't fear silly little things like skin color.

Ever heard the term "fear of a red president"?
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No but then it is truly rare to meet someone that is old enough to use the term 'red' in reference to communists and still immature enough to try and apply it to the current POTUS.
 
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