Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious. :)
 
amb said:
Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious. :)
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What do you mean by 'evolution of the universe'? It sounds as though you're conflating creation of the universe with the evolution of life; they're separate, though not completely unrelated, things.
 
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Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious. :)
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He is a creationist who takes the bible to be true in every respect, so he denies the big bang. However he has in the past linked to a website that argued that the bible describes the big bang. So his arguments are inconsistent. Who would have thunk it.
 
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Lothian said:
He is a creationist who takes the bible to be true in every respect, so he denies the big bang. However he has in the past linked to a website that argued that the bible describes the big bang. So his arguments are inconsistent. Who would have thunk it.
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My impression is that he an Old Earth Creationist ie Intelligent Design.
 
Yes the god guiding evolution type of ID. I wonder why after all these centuries this god has not been able to eliminate the cancer causing gene out of his creation. Come to think of it, this god has not even been able to fix the bad backs most humans are afflicted with.
 
Weren't there some comments about swamp scum or pond scum from DOC?
I'll see if they're to be found.
 
DOC said:
I meant it shows that almost everyone believes in absolute morality. So that means almost everyone believes something is right or wrong regardless of how many people believe so.

So where did these absolute moral laws that almost everyone believes in come from? I contend moral laws must come from a lawgiver, they don't come from swamp scum. And since these absolute moral laws are outside the human experience they must have been made by someone outside of humanity {aka God}. That is unless you believe non living material like swamp scum can make absolute moral laws.
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I knew I'd read that recently.
Enjoy.
 
I believe the context was along the following lines.

Doc presented the dichotomy that "absolute morality" eithed came from god (and therefore the NTW were telling the truth) or it came from "pondscum." It was in this thread, several hundred pages back, WHICH IS EVIDENCE IN ITSELF!
 
amb said:
Yes the god guiding evolution type of ID. I wonder why after all these centuries this god has not been able to eliminate the cancer causing gene out of his creation. Come to think of it, this god has not even been able to fix the bad backs most humans are afflicted with.
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Oh, they love to use the SIN thing for all that. But with evolution one would expect things to be messed up, with life not being perfect.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Ah, swamp scum.
Obviously not an original idea to DOC, so I looked it up and will post up various examples
Here's one I lliked:
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cach...tionists&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=es&lr=lang_en

This from Theo H. Tirips, S.J.'s blog/article
"In Defense of Ben Stein"

<snipped>We all know by heart Exodus 20: 11, Commandment number Two (from the New American Study Bible, St Jerome edition):

“In six days I, the Lord, made the earth, the sky, the seas, and everything in them, but on the seventh day I rested.” (Exodus 20:11).

And where Jesus said: “But in the beginning, at the time of creation, ‘God made them male and female,’ as the Scripture says (Mk 10:6, and Mat 19:4);

And Jesus again: "As it was in the days of Noah,…they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage up to the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.” (Luke 17: 26-27).

These passages undeniably contradict the standard swamp scum _tadpole _fish _mammal _monkey _man macro version of evolutionism. We ask the Bishop, the priests or anyone with some connection to the Holy Spirit to advise his brother priests, the editor of the diocese’ newspaper, and the parishioners how we may interpret these three only---of the many other conflicting Scriptural passages---in a way that justifies belief in this theory conceived in naturalism. Is the Holy Spirit telling us to have constant faith in God’s Word, or abandon God’s word in favor of a theory by man that can never be tested or verified? <snipped>
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amb said:
Has anyone ever asked DOC whether he accepts evolution of the universe or is he a creationist? Just curious. :)
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It seems that DOC's ideas on evolution are on a par with his opinions regarding 'evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.'.

Indeed, he even starts threads on the subject!

And, likewise, his OPs get p4wned immediately by teh usual suspects

Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins
DOC said:
The origin of life is a crucial part (if not the most important question) of the Theist/Atheist debate. Yet I contend that most atheists are not aware that all life (the blue whales, the insects, the elephants, the octopuses, the trees in the redwood forests, the butterflies, the cactus, the humans, all the dinosaurs, and the multi-millions of other plant and animal species) that have ever existed are descended from the "same" one celled organism. (according to modern science)

I would estimate that no more than 10 percent of all atheists know that modern science believes that all the millions of "plant and animal" species that have ever existed came from the "same" organism (and that first organism that we all came from was a one celled bacteria).
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joobz said:
1. "Science" doesn't claim that we come from a single one celled organism.
2. I'm willing to guess that 91.432342% of all atheists know that science doesn't claim that we all come from a single one celled organism. The remaining athiests are still too busy filling their diapers with poop to weigh in on the subject.
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Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?
DOC said:
I came across this site that claims many scientific principles were actually presented first in the bible.

http://www.creationevidence.org/scientific_evid/se_scripture.html
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/* Sorta like the whole www.creationevidence.org site, that link is 'broken'... the closest match I have found from a site-specifc search is http://75.125.60.6/~creatio1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=7 */

Hokulele said:
Ha ha ha ha ha!

One of the claims is that precipitation was unknown at the time the bible was written. Yeah, like it never rained back then.

Ooh and snow was unheard of.

And cavemen! Wait, I thought fundamentalists didn't believe in cave men.

This site really is too funny.
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Akhenaten said:
The Three Wise Men™ have discovered an ancient text, created by Ram-seh, and are using it to resolve their uncertainty.

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The silence of the Middle Camel troubles me, o great Akhenaten, and yet it is right and marvelous. I seek only to understand.
 
six7s said:
I think DOC prefers 'swamp scum' rather than the
Originally Posted by six7s
'Perpetually Optimistic Naysayers of Doc's Superstitious Crap and Ulterior Motives' club
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Very probably, six7s.
The example I posted will be the only one I'm going to post-the reading of this stuff just got too depressing. Made me wonder if we couldn't just return to the swamp and start over again.
 
You make me say 'heh' o great Akhenaten, if I may dare say so--which is like the sound that also issues from my mouth at the thought that, soon, we will be presented with evidence for why we may know that the New Testament writers told the truth.
 
calebprime said:
You make me say 'heh' o great Akhenaten, if I may dare say so--which is like the sound that also issues from my mouth at the thought that, soon, we will be presented with evidence for why we may know that the New Testament writers told the truth.
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So... you're not holding your breath, either, huh?
 
Akhenaten said:
Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle
And the guy in the rear was a Methodist.
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The really great JC*!





*That's Johnny Cash for the profane unitiated.
 
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