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How do you guys explain really bizarre cases of synchronicity?

I've been keeping track of the numbers I've been seeing over the past couple of weeks and I've noticed something really strange...there are certain combinations of numbers that I'll see all the time and certain combinations that I'll hardly ever see. For example, I hardly ever see 444 or 555, but I often see 111, 222, and 333. On different forums, I'll often look up suddenly to realize that the number of views for a thread is 111 or will have 111 in it somewhere (for example 17, 111). This happens to me with almost every set of triple numbers except for 555.

Also, the 2012 people are always pointing out that they keep seeing 11:11 with increasing frequency.

I still have trouble believing all this stuff is coincidental...I'm sorry if that makes you think of me as a woo.

As a side note, I've also been noticing that a lot of people on different sites have 777 in their username.

At the moment you have 40 posts. I have 1,206 posts. When you start looking for coincidences you will find them - it happens all the time. That is not synchrosity, it is simply confirmation bias, You find the numbers you are looking for and ignore all the ones you are not looking for. Look at all the numbers on this thread. They will mostly be different by tomorrow.

And what does 777 in peoples user names even mean? I have not noticed one person on the Randi forums with ****777, nor have I seen any ****777or any si,ilar "synchrosity" on any Boards of which I am a member. Not that I have looked for this sequence. Maybe it is just a suggested computer generated suggestion for user names that duplicate already extant user names? I don't know. I have never seen a BB user ****777 in my life.

If you look for things, you may find them, but it does not mean a whole lot. I suggest that you look for 111, 222, 333 or 777 on this thread, and report back.

No biggie!

Norm
 
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I still have trouble believing all this stuff is coincidental...

And yet you yourself said that when you go looking for it goes away.

Consider that an insight into your flawed cognitive processes and don't take that as an insult. It is just how it works. Which is why it is important not to jump to conclusions like, "noticing a bunch of numbers in certain configurations means the world will end in 2012".

Human reasoning is buggy.
 
Let me ask you a question: If someone reading this is a disinterested third party, why should s/he believe that you, a medical doctor, know more about statistics than a Professor of Statistics at a major university?

Because Linda is sexier than Utts.
 
As a side note, I've also been noticing that a lot of people on different sites have 777 in their username.

Three factors spring to mind-:

7 is considered a 'lucky' number and, supposedly, if you ask someone to pick a number between 1 and 10 a disproportionate number will pick it.

7 is also has religious significance on it's own and as 777 which some people think is the number of Jesus (as opposed to 666 for the Beast).

Once you get to adding numbers to your username most people get fed up with trying every number sequentially until they get the lowest possible free value for 'Iamauniqueindividualxxx@hotmail.com' so they'll pick a high number and hope it's free.

If you're going to use a number you're likely to choose one that stands out as it's easy to remember and people will notice, a single repeated digit fits this description making it likely to be chosen and making int stand out when you're looking for numbers (contributing to confirmation bias).

Put these factors together and 'bing', syncronicity!
 
Let me ask you a question: If someone reading this is a disinterested third party, why should s/he believe that you, a medical doctor, know more about statistics than a Professor of Statistics at a major university?

I don't think anyone should, or rather, instead of attempting to decide whether or not something is correct based on the personal characteristics of the person presenting the information, one should focus on the information presented instead.

I have no reason to doubt that Jessica Utts knows more about statistics than me, although I will admit that I am depending upon an element of authority in order to make that call. If I read that article and the author had an undergraduate, rather than a graduate degree, or was working at a community college instead of an established university, I'd wonder just how much they knew about statistics. But because of her background, I am willing to make the assumption that she has a deep understanding of statistics. So rather than allowing me to have an inflated sense of my own understanding of statistics (which I presume is quite limited in comparison), what my experience with statisticians has taught me over the years is that my understanding of what it is that statisticians are expected to know about was wrong. It is my understanding of their scope of practice which I have had to modify. So I no longer expect statisticians to know how to weigh evidence, develop valid outcome measures, understand research design methods, test inferences, choose statistical techniques, formulate prior probabilities or display any knowledge about the subject which is undergoing testing. I do expect them to be able to know what kinds of statistical tests can be applied to specific kinds of data, how to calculate p-values and confidence intervals, how to model different kinds of distributions, or even to be aware of the assumptions which underlie the use of specific tests (although, apparently this last one is pushing the envelope). So I expect that they can provide the numerical information that is used for activities such as inference testing, weighing evidence, or assessing validity, but I don't expect them to be able to carry out those activities as it has been amply demonstrated that an understanding of the numerical information does not lead to an understanding of these other issues.

What I see when I read the article by Utts is that some of the topics covered are outside of those which fall under her reported area of expertise. And I see that she has made what appear to be errors in those topics, which makes sense if you take into consideration what I said earlier. So, I point out some of those errors, and in the past, I have explained some of them in greater detail to you. It obviously gets me nowhere with you, as I am simply someone whose information can be dismissed on the basis of personal characteristics.

What is a neutral third-party supposed to think of that? No one can be expected to judge whether or not it is appropriate to use Rosenthal's fail-safe N under these circumstances. What I say here really cannot be used to decide this issue, even if I manage to come across as credible to some. It gets decided within the scientific arena, when Utts and other parapsychologists are or are not able to interest an ever-widening circle of scientists in related fields. That they have not been able to do so is really all that is needed.

Linda
 
Human reasoning is buggy.

I don't think it's buggy, but I know what you mean. As I've been arguing for a while, the answer to the question this thread asks is that humans evolved to avoid making Type II errors at the cost of tending to make Type I errors.

We evolved a capacity and tendency to see patterns and to infer intention even in random data.

It's far better to do that, than to miss it when something really is a pattern that could be dangerous or when something really was intended by another human (since we evolved as intelligent animals living in complex social groups).
 
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Rodney, please answer the questions I asked in post #811.

This is the point where your vast knowledge of statistics actually is relevant to the topic of synchronicity.
 
Let me ask you a question: If someone reading this is a disinterested third party, why should s/he believe that you, a medical doctor, know more about statistics than a Professor of Statistics at a major university?
Again, a person's occupation is irrelevant to the validity of an argument. As such, passing off comments about one's occupation as a criticism of an argument is the ad hominem fallacy. It's a type of irrelevant remark.

An argument should stand on its own merit. A valid argument can be made by someone with no credentials, and a person with very advanced credentials can make a flawed argument. The credentials are irrelevant to an assessment of the argument.
 
Again, a person's occupation is irrelevant to the validity of an argument. As such, passing off comments about one's occupation as a criticism of an argument is the ad hominem fallacy. It's a type of irrelevant remark.

An argument should stand on its own merit. A valid argument can be made by someone with no credentials, and a person with very advanced credentials can make a flawed argument. The credentials are irrelevant to an assessment of the argument.

That's not entirely true. We evolved a capacity and tendency to do and believe what those with authority tell us. When an authority tells us what we want to hear there's a double-whammy effect which is very powerful and hard to resist.
 
If you drive through the salt flats in Utah, there's not much to look at except the power line poles. I saw the number 1111 in the poles.
 
Of course. You have always made it clear that your criteria as to whether or not you associate yourself with something is not whether it is correct, but whether it can be taken as support for your beliefs.

Linda


That seems to fit the observable data quite well.


M.
 
And yet so many discussions of fringe claims seem to go down this same dark alley. Like when someone proposes that there may be a "force" as yet undiscovered by science -- and then they procede to use 'force' in a way devoid of any scientific definition of the term. Very annoying. :p

Annoying in an educated adult, sure, but forgivable in a child. After all, my continental quilt with its force-field of fate saved me from many a monster back in the day.


M.
 
If you drive through the salt flats in Utah, there's not much to look at except the power line poles. I saw the number 1111 in the poles.

Here in Austin, the University of Texas puts up a big "1" on each side of the tower when one of its athletics teams wins a national championship. I remember my dad saying, "and we call the Aggies stupid! At almost any angle, it's the number '11'!"
 
If you drive through the salt flats in Utah, there's not much to look at except the power line poles. I saw the number 1111 in the poles.

Also:

Peter: "There's a message in my Alpha Bits! It says 'Oooooooooo...'"
Brian: "Those are Cheerios."
 
Conversation with someone with this approach to language can be frustrating, but it sure helps to realize that they might not be using the conventional meaning of a word. (I can remember a conversation that involved her using a superlative applied to more than one thing. I tried to explain that you can't have two "tallest" things or two "best" things, but she insisted that she was free to use words any way she pleased.)

Sorry. . . looks like I got started after all.

It's a valid concern. If the purpose of language is to communicate -- and usually that is it's purpose -- then deliberately using words "any way she pleased" is to deliberately miscommunicate. Unless she was just so enamored of the sound of her own voice that she was actually engaging in performance art which you only imagined to be an attempt at communication. :)

Of course you can give a very specific and non-standard definition for a word and then consistently use it in that way -- philsophers do this all the time -- but then you need to be aware that what you've done is create a jargon, and behave accordingly (ie., not everyone can be expected to understand jargon without explanation).


Coming back on topic, I can at least say I agree that Rodney is using the term synchronicity properly, and attempts to re-define it to mean something else don't fit with the conventional meaning.

Since Jung coined the term I'd tend to stick with his original meaning, which is indeed the way most people seem to use the term. The problem remains that Jung did not really adequately explore the ramifications of his term, and so it remains somewhat "fuzzy".
 
That's not entirely true. We evolved a capacity and tendency to do and believe what those with authority tell us. When an authority tells us what we want to hear there's a double-whammy effect which is very powerful and hard to resist.

The fact that we may be evolutionarily predisposed to believe the information vouchsafed in such circumstances says nothing about the validity of that information. As several have already observed, a valid argument is valid regardless of who is making it, or what their credentials may be.
 
We evolved a capacity and tendency to do and believe what those with authority tell us. When an authority tells us what we want to hear there's a double-whammy effect which is very powerful and hard to resist.
But the fact that we evolved a tendency to believe what an authority tells us does not mean that what they tell us is correct.

I'm pretty sure I specified that this was the logical ad hominem fallacy. The credentials are not logically relevant in assessing the argument.

ETA: For example, an argument of this form:
If p then q
q
Therefore, p.​
Is not sound no matter who makes it, no matter how strong their credentials.

And arguments of the form
If p then q
p
Therefore, q.​
Are logically sound no matter how uncredentialed the person is who makes it.. If the two premises are true, the argument is valid (and the conclusion is also true).
 
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