Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[paximperium]

Another unexplained post.

hear⋅say

unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no attention to hearsay.
an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a malicious hearsay.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hearsay

So do you still have no idea what hearsay is?

 

[DOC]

Again. So?

So then you are willing to accept that Non-Christian sources reported this:

1) Jesus lived during time of Tiberius Caesar.

2) He lived a virtuous life.

4) He had a brother {some say cousin} named James.

5) He was acclaimed to be the Messiah.

6) He was crucified under Pontius Pilate.

7) He was crucified on the eve of the Jewish Passover.

8) Darkness and an earthquake occurred when he died.

9) His disciples believe he rose from the dead.

10) His disciples were willing to die for their belief.

11) Christianity spread as far as Rome.

12) His disciples denied the Roman gods and worshiped Jesus as God.


If you don't think the above facts reported by Non-Christian sources are evidence for the assertion that the NT writers were telling the truth then that is your right. I would strongly disagee with you though.

I think 3 times with the same list is enough....continued reposting of the same material is spamming and a breach of your Membership Agreement.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Locknar

 

[paximperium]

So then you are willing to accept that Non-Christian sources reported this:
<Snipped spamming garbage>

I don't accept it but I will accept it for the sake of argument. I still see absolutely no answer. If it was real So?

If you don't think the above facts reported by Non-Christian sources are evidence for the assertion that the NT writers were telling the truth then that is your right. I would strongly disagee with you though.

I'm sorry but the OP is about EVIDENCE and not your irrelevant and dishonest OPINION.

Do you have a point at all with your spam and irrelevant points or are you just making small talk and spewing opinion? Glad to see you have completely abandoned the topic of the OP.

 

[six7s]

So then you are willing to accept that Non-Christian sources reported this:

<spamSnipped/>

If you don't think the above facts reported by Non-Christian sources are evidence for the assertion that the NT writers were telling the truth then that is your right. I would strongly disagee with you though.

Please, STOP spamming this thread

If you have NOTHING to add that is on-topic with regard to 'evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.', then post NOTHING

TYIA

 

[six7s]

Unless something is on video tape all historians who write of events they didn't witness are writing hearsay.

Not necessarily...

For example:

• They could be lying

You know what lying is, don't you? Of course you do.

 

[paximperium]

Not necessarily...

For example:

• They could be lying

You know what lying is, don't you? Of course you do.

Don't confuse him. He has yet to even get beyond understanding what hearsay is yet.

 

[joobz]

Another unexplained post.

another unexplained post.

 

[Paulhoff]

So then you are willing to accept that Non-Christian sources reported this:

1) Jesus lived during time of Tiberius Caesar.

Not a proof of a Jesus.

2) He lived a virtuous life.

Not a proof of a Jesus.

4) He had a brother {some say cousin} named James.

Not a proof of a Jesus.

5) He was acclaimed to be the Messiah.

Not a proof of a Jesus.

6) He was crucified under Pontius Pilate.

Not a proof of a Jesus.

7) He was crucified on the eve of the Jewish Passover.

Not a proof of a Jesus.

8) Darkness and an earthquake occurred when he died.

Not a proof of a Jesus.

9) His disciples believe he rose from the dead.

Not a proof of a Jesus.

10) His disciples were willing to die for their belief.

Not a proof of a Jesus.

11) Christianity spread as far as Rome.

Not a proof of a Jesus.

12) His disciples denied the Roman gods and worshiped Jesus as God.

Not a proof of a Jesus.


If you don't think the above facts reported by Non-Christian sources are evidence for the assertion that the NT writers were telling the truth then that is your right. I would strongly disagee with you though.

Christian or not, what is their source?

Paul

 

[DOC]

Not a proof of a Jesus.

This thread is entitled "Evidence for..." not "Proof for..." .

 

[six7s]

This thread is entitled "Evidence for..." not "Proof for..." .

Yup

One question:

Why don't you provide some evidence that isn't obviously stupid?​

 

[DOC]

Christian or not, what is their source?

Paul

You'll have to read the book from which they came, cited in post #1.

 

[DOC]

Yup

One question:

Why don't you provide some evidence that isn't obviously stupid?​

Weren't you the one just complaining about spamming??

 

[joobz]

You'll have to read the book from which they came, cited in post #1.

which was destroyed on pages 1 and 2.

The conclusions that have been reached in this thread are:
1.) The best arguments that can be made for christianity is nothing more than special pleading and hearsay.
2.) Luke was dishonest when it came to reporting jesus story (E.g., he invented the census story).
3.) Jesus condoned slavery and the beating of slaves.

 

[six7s]

Weren't you the one just complaining about spamming??

Yes... you know I was...

If you are suggesting that repeated (albeit futile) requests for you to post somthing - anything - that is on-topic somehow contravenes the MA, then please do explain

Otherwise, please at least try to think before you post any more inane twaddle

TYIA

 

[DOC]

which was destroyed on pages 1 and 2.

The conclusions that have been reached in this thread are:
1.) The best arguments that can be made for christianity is nothing more than special pleading and hearsay.
2.) Luke was dishonest when it came to reporting jesus story (E.g., he invented the census story).
3.) Jesus condoned slavery and the beating of slaves.

Thank you for your attempt to summarize my close to 1400 posts in 5 lines. Well really 2 lines if we don't include two of your pet issues which I've already left at least 40 posts in response to.

And, as I alluded to before, all writings of historians like Josephus and Tacitus are hearsay unless they witnessed it personally. You have to rake in all the mounds of historical evidence, not just what you witness personally. Thomas Arnold of Oxford (author of the 3 Volume History of Rome) and Sir William M. Ramsay had enough evidence for their Christian beliefs, I'm sorry you don't.

 

[joobz]

Thank you for your attempt to summarize my close to 1400 posts in 5 lines.

I could summarize your entire position in this thread with two words:
Logical Fallacies.

And please don't bother with the "unsupported claim" nonsense. All one needs to do is read the first two pages to see it's the truth.

Well really 2 lines if we don't include two of your pet issues which I've already left at least 40 posts in response to.

40 posts of poor logic.

And as I alluded to before all writings of historians like Josephus and Tacitus are hearsay unless they witnessed it personally.

I have no problem with thier accounts. It's just that their accounts don't equal evidence for the new testament being the truth.

You have to rake in all the mounds of historical evidence, not just what you witness personally. Thomas Arnold of Oxford (author of the 3 Volume History of Rome) and Sir William G. Ramsay had enough evidence for their Christian beliefs, I'm sorry you don't.

What mounds of evidence?
If they existed, you would have presented them.

 

[DOC]

What mounds of evidence?
If they existed, you would have presented them.

I have presented some- in post 7667.

 

[joobz]

I have presented some- in post 7667.

Why not actually present the arguments? Or is it because you know that ALL of the points you've raised have been found lacking?
OR is it because you know that you have repeated yourself too many times and the mods are now watching?

 

[Hokulele]

Another unexplained post.

What is your definition of hearsay?

 

[six7s]

What mounds of evidence?
If they existed, you would have presented them.

I have presented some- in post 7667.

LIAR!

Is this some sort of sick, joke?

Have you really forgetten the responses to your nonsense? Or are you just pretending?

Either way, STOP it!

Well... of course, you can pretend... to yourself...

But for everyone else... it's easy to navigate back to the post you allude (not link) to...

Likewise, anyone can navigate to ANY of your nonsense and see for themselves that you have yet to post ANYTHING that hasn't been thoroughly debunked

My only real grievance is with the OP. After 1300+ posts on a thread promising "evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.", he has steadfastly refused to deliver ANYTHING other than a steaming pile of bovine excrement

Another no information opinion that takes up space and offers nothing to the thread. And my 1300 posts (several hundred with information) show that I have a different opinion than you.

Why can't people just let my posts stand for themselves without continually taking up space offering their no information opinion?

Bizarrely, as if this pile of crap (masquerading as a 'pile of evidence') wasn't absurd enough, you decided to compound your errors, in your Post 7667:

My only real grievance is with the OP. After 1300+ posts on a thread promising "evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.", he has steadfastly refused to deliver ANYTHING other than a steaming pile of bovine excrement

Well here is some of the evidence I've brought into the thread.

http://books.google.com/books?id=PC...6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Geisler 10 reasons&f=false

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4704978#post4704978

http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-reliability-bible

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4693173#post4693173

For those with the selective amnesia, here is my responses to that nonsense:

My only real grievance is with the OP. After 1300+ posts on a thread promising "evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.", he has steadfastly refused to deliver ANYTHING other than a steaming pile of bovine excrement

Well here is some of the evidence I've brought into the thread.

Sigh

Is it that you just don't get it?

Or are you being wilfully stupid?

Either way... this is truly sad

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http://books.google.com/books?id=PC...6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Geisler 10 reasons&f=false

I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist By Norman L. Geisler, Frank Turek, David Limbaugh
How many times are you going to post this Geisler et al crap?

It has, as you know, been thoroughly, comprehensively debunked each and every time you have used it to spam this thread

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http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

Evidence for the Resurrection
by Josh McDowell

For centuries many of the world's distinguished philosophers have assaulted Christianity as being irrational, superstitious and absurd. Many have chosen simply to ignore the central issue of the resurrection. Others have tried to explain it away through various theories. But the historical evidence just can't be discounted.

A student at the University of Uruguay said to me. "Professor McDowell, why can't you refute Christianity?"

"For a very simple reason," I answered. "I am not able to explain away an event in history--the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

How can we explain the empty tomb? Can it possibly be accounted for by any natural cause?

Yes.

You, DOC, know how it can be 'accounted for by any natural causes'. Please, stop pretending otherwise

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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4704978#post4704978

» The 25 fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah chapter 53

Thread title is inaccurate. Should be The 25 Contrived Postdictions,... etc.

Enuff said

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http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-reliability-bible

Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible by Hugh Ross, Ph.D.

Ahh, the old 'numbers out his ass approach' ... impressive.

Tends to get easier when you can retrospectively determine what the prophecies actually said in order to fit them to events. Even then there's a bunch they just missed, Egypt is still habitable, for example.

Enuff said

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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php? ost4693173

Post #4107 of THIS thread

Let me be the first to say

PFFFFFFFFFT!

All those points have been raised, addressed and eliminated from consideration. Now, the only thing left is ridicule.

By now, even you know how it goes...

Please, stop lying for your messiah

Get it?