9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[9/11-investigator]

Not really. You came here to "explain the Holocaust". You made your decision to post your strange beliefs on a forum with over 1500 members. What did you think would happen? If you don't have time to do research then why are you explaining the holocaust to us? We seem to have no problems explaining the holocaust to you with research

BS. The title of the thread is determined by the one with the first post, being dtugg. My attitude was expressed in my first post:

My position on the bunnycaust is that I will believe that it happened if somebody can demonstrate it to me that it happened.

In Europe we hold the view that somebody is innocent until proven guilty very unlike jungles like the US (jungle, because the dudalbs, the dtuggs, the parkys and the finewines are in charge) where the rule is: 'listen pall, we're going to throw you in jail for 4 years. However, if you confess being guilty we'll reduce your sentence to 2 years' ('fleabargain').

So here is my request to the local Israel-Lobby here on this forum (dudalb, dtugg, parky, finewine and a few hundred more): demonstrate to me that 6 million people were gassed in WW2 under the Nazis.

Wait, I'll make it easy for you: prove that only one person was gassed.

Success (you may use a calculator for this exercise).

Nothing much of the sort happened. You have not delivered. I have at least shown documents from which it is obvious that at least until 1942 German officials used the concept of a 'final solution of the Jewish question' openly in their documents, ruling out a more sinister interpretation of the concept.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Derail much?Or start looking for proper evidence that support your claims? I'm still waiting for evidence that Jews were resettled in the East.

Or is that too much to ask?

For the moment unfortunately that is too much to ask.

Likewise I am still waiting for the proof that at least 1 person was gassed. That's too much asked also.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Interesting development:

http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2521

A few hours ago one of the most interesting 9/11 blogs wtcdemolition.com has dared to post an article by holocaust revisionist Faurisson. This site already leans strongly towards the idea that Israel was involved in the attacks, but it is a courageous leap in the dark to post something like that.

As I said yesterday, 'there is something in the air...'

 

[Uzzy]

Sigh. Kurt Gerron, Karel Polacek, Benjamin Fondane, Charlotte Salomon, Itzhak Katzenelson, Regina Jones. Those are just a few of the names of people from various walks of life killed by the Nazis at Auschwitz.

Looking into the life of Kurt Gerron brings up a few interesting, if rather sad points. He was the only Jewish Director of a film during the Nazi Era, which happened to be the infamous Theresienstadt, aka The Führer Gives the Jews a City. It's a propaganda piece in which the Nazis attempted to show that life wasn't so bad in the concentration camps. It didn't work, and shortly after filming had finished, the entire Jewish population of Theresienstadt were deported to Auschwitz, where the majority of them died.

 

[TSR]

Interesting development:

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...it develops that 9/11 is running away from posting Krege's credentials, and how a camp which even he admits existed on the site can have left no traces.



No, not so interesting...
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[Trojan]

For the moment unfortunately that is too much to ask.

Likewise I am still waiting for the proof that at least 1 person was gassed. That's too much asked also.

You've been given proof, that you choose to ignore it was not a surprise.

I am still awaiting an answer to this

Originally Posted by 9/11-investigator
In all the debates of the last 15 years the holocaustians are in retreat.

What debate showed Holocaustians in retreat?

 

[Amazer]

For the moment unfortunately that is too much to ask.

Then don't make silly claims.

Likewise I am still waiting for the proof that at least 1 person was gassed. That's too much asked also.

That proof has been provided to you... and was immediately dismissed as either lies or fabrications.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Nothing much of the sort happened. You have not delivered. I have at least shown documents from which it is obvious that at least until 1942 German officials used the concept of a 'final solution of the Jewish question' openly in their documents, ruling out a more sinister interpretation of the concept.

You informed us that the final solution was after 1943. We knew that. The world knows that.

I have shown you documents from after this date including SS documents on clothes being removed from executed victims at Treblinka, the train trips, the quotes from Hoes regarding executions at Treblinka. We proved to you that the Krege report did not include the technical means for making the conclusions that the unpublished reports pretends to conclude.

Your rebutal is now limited to repeating the statement "Give me any evidence anyone was ever gassed". Other "revisionists" have able to maintain arguments for longer but you are not a revisionist. A revisionist still is obliged to follow the evidence whereas you have simply tried to change the subject matter. Have you thought for a moment that you are damaging your own cause?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Ah weekend again, time to address some of the issues raised by my trans-Atlantic cousins earlier this week. But first the good news:

http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/

Dr Töben was released from prison at 8.00am, Thursday 12th November, after serving a three month sentence for Holocaust denial (re-branded as contempt of court). He is unbroken and unrepentant, and appears very refreshed and relaxed after his little holiday. He was welcomed home by his friends and supporters who held a celebratory dinner for him, on Thursday evening. During his speech on the night, he vowed to continue his work in demolishing the Holocaust lies.

Welcome home dr. Töben.

 

[Amazer]

Ah weekend again, time to address some of the issues raised by my trans-Atlantic cousins earlier this week. But first the good news:

http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/

Dr Töben was released from prison at 8.00am, Thursday 12th November, after serving a three month sentence for Holocaust denial (re-branded as contempt of court). He is unbroken and unrepentant, and appears very refreshed and relaxed after his little holiday. He was welcomed home by his friends and supporters who held a celebratory dinner for him, on Thursday evening. During his speech on the night, he vowed to continue his work in demolishing the Holocaust lies.

Welcome home dr. Töben.

Wouldn't your time be better spent looking for evidence that supports your claims instead of trawling the net for useless news like this?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Listened this morning to a 90 minutes podcast with a recent interview with Mark Weber of the IHR:

http://www.ihr.org/main/audio.shtml

http://www.radiofreemississippi.net/audio2009/stream.2009-11-04.120117.mp3

Revisionism, Truthful History and `the Holocaust' :: Radio Free Mississippi :: Mark Weber :: Nov. 4, 2009

Mark Weber was always one of my favorite revisionists. So I was interested to learn about Mark Weber's position on the holocaust, since he had written an article last january about his change in position regarding holocaust revisionism as a valuable tool in addressing the Zionist power structure in the US. Some revisionist prominents like Faurisson had seen this as an act of treason. It turned out however after listening to the podcast that this is not the case. He hasn't change his views regarding the holocaust although he is more prudent than other revisionist. He says that it is basically impossible to prove or disprove that mass gassings took place in places like Sobibor and Treblinka. He did not mention Auschwitz but he repeated again his statement that Nuremberg had 'established' that Dachau, Mauthausen and Sachsenhausen and other camps had been used to gas people out of existence, an idea now completely refuted (making a complete mockery of Nuremberg I might like to add).

Weber further outs himself as a Christian, that he does not endorse 9/11 as an inside job (but he doesn't refute it either, he has 'an open mind' about it and hasn't looked into it, but he also says that there was enough potential and motivation in the Islamic world to carry out such an attack, something I would agree with, but I refute the idea that they had the means to carry it out let alone to demolish the 3 WTC buildings with explosives).

 

[9/11-investigator]

Wouldn't your time be better spent looking for evidence that supports your claims instead of trawling the net for useless news like this?

You accuse, you prove.
Where is your proof for the gas chambers?
Aha, I see, you don't have any.

 

[9/11-investigator]

What debate showed Holocaustians in retreat?

I can’t believe this is happening to me! Trojan put’s the ball for me in front of his open goal so I only have to kick it in. Thanks Trojan, if you were not there I had to invent you. Now let me see…

1. Toronto Great Holocaust Trial. First of all we have the Great Zuendel Trials that turned into Great Holocaust Trials in Toronto 1985-1989. The breakthrough was not that Zuendel was cleared of any acquisations, the real highlight was that holocaust pope Hilberg was exposed as the fraud that he was. Hilberg had to admit that there was no documentary evidence for mass extermination of Jews in gas chambers whatsoever. That there was no Hitler order. Furthermore Auschwitz crown witness Rudolf Vrba was exposed as a shameless liar.

http://www.codoh.com/author/portraits/port5zue.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p417_Faurisson.html


2. Mark Weber and Ted O'Keefe :: 1990 :: KFI AM640 Los Angeles

Here a Jewish talk show host who had organized a meeting between representatives of the IHR and those of the Wiesenthal Center. They all agreed but in the last moment the holocaustians of the WC chickened out. So who is avoiding the debate? The sympathetic talk show host, who clearly believes in the holocaust, gave Mark Weber and Ted O’Keefe a fair treatment.

http://www.ihraudio.dreamhost.com/revisionism_on_kfi_am640.mp3

IHR: With its 24-hour 50,000-watt signal, and enormous listening audience in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, KFI is easily the biggest talk-radio station on the west coast. And Ted O'Keefe and Mark Weber were scheduled for a live in-studio debate with Aaron Breitbart, senior researcher from the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center. Breitbart chickened out at the last minute, so for over 2 hours — from 7:30 PM until 10:00 PM — on the evening of December 17, 1990, roughly a million KFI listeners from as far away as Oregon and Texas got an unforgettable dose of history in accord with the facts. This is probably the most effective case for Holocaust revisionism ever carried over the airwaves.



3. Recent discussion between Faurisson and a Danish holocaustian named Andersson. The sympathetic Dane is no match for the old fox Faurisson and gets destroyed in two-and-a-half hours:

http://www.codoh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5394
http://member.newsguy.com/~kreiberg/fdebat1.ram

As a consequence the Dane gave up his career of being a holocaust ayatollah. Something our own Nick Terry could take an example from.

Some forum-poster remarked:
This is an excellent debate. It’s a textbook-example of what happens when a good revisionist debates a holocaust believer and a good example why they always try to avoid a public debate. The first minutes are a little bit boring but after 17 minutes it gets really interesting. It’s a contant back and forth between Andersson and Faurisson. I found it very instructive how Faurisson responds to all of Anderssons claims and how he nails him down, and how Andersson tries to evade Faurissons precise questions. I sometimes wondered why so many other revisionists always called Faurisson one of the most important revisionists and one of their most influential mentors, since there are other revisionists who have produced much more literature. But after listening to this debate I know why. It’s obvious how much he knows about the topic, he never evades a question, and he has always a very convincing answer. It’s amazing how he corners his opponent with precise and strategic questions, almost like a chess-player. And both Faurisson and Andersson are always fair during the whole debate. I encourage everyone to carefully listen to and study this debate. I think learned a lot from it how to debate a believer.


4. Weber-Shermer debate 1995.

Google Video.

Here a 2 hour video of a unique event: a debat between a leading revisionist Mark Weber and the libertarian holocaustian Michael Shermer. It is unique because it doesn't happen that often that 2 representatives of both groups can get along with each other. It is obvious that the libertarian takes a libertarian core principle of free speech serious. The video is a model of how the debate should be engaged: businesslike, without ad hominem and to the point. My opponents here can learn a lot from the civilized behavior of Shermer.

Review of the debate from both sides:
IHR: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n1p22_Weber.html
Shermer: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/s/shermer-michael/july22-debate-comments.html

 

[Amazer]

You accuse, you prove.
Where is your proof for the gas chambers?
Aha, I see, you don't have any.

Uhm... no.

The accusing was done and over with pretty much after the Nurnberg trials. I just accept the general conclusions reached during those trials.

It's your claims and conclusions that run counter... hence it's upon you to prove your case.

 

[9/11-investigator]

The accusing was done and over with pretty much after the Nurnberg trials. I just accept the general conclusions reached during those trials.

You mean the 'trial' that concluded that Dachau, Mauthausen and Sachsenhausen were extermination centers using gaschambers? The trial where the greatest mass murderers of history, the Soviets, sat on the side of the prosecution next to city nuking Americans? These same Soviets who over the radio encouraged Soviet soldiers to rape any German woman they could find? The trial that applied torture (American specialty) to extort ridiculous gassing claims from Hoess? The trial that accused the Germans of making lamp shades of human skin, of making soap of human body fat, that accused the Germans of operating pedal driven skull bashers? The trial that the highest US judge called a 'high-grade lynching party'?

That trial?

 

[9/11-investigator]

You informed us that the final solution was after 1943. We knew that. The world knows that.

I hardly think that you can speak for the rest of the forum. Are you now conceding that before januari 1, 1944 there was no mass extermination program going on? I am totally surprised by your consession, I really seem to be making progress here! That was easy.

But the world still believes that Wannsee was the start, meaning january 1942.

So although I have to gratulate you with your honesty we still have a lot of work to do to convince the rest of the world that no mass exterminations in gas chambers of Jews took place before 1-1-1944.

P.S. And since Treblinka was closed down in october 1943 you now implicitly also admit that no mass extermination took place in Treblinka either. Fine. The real reason why they closed down Treblinka was because the Germans were losing the war in the east so using Treblinka as a transit station no longer made sense.

 

[9/11-investigator]

From the wikipedia Treblinka entry a train time table:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-C0509-0049-012,_KZ,_Fahrplananordnung.jpg

In line 11 it says: "Umsiedlerssonderzug"... special trains for resettlers.

Oh and finally proof for the existence of mass graves in Treblinka in 1943 from the same site:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/Treblinkagrave.jpg

Pathetic.

 

[9/11-investigator]

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p-85_Faurisson.html

"Witness" Rudolf Vrba was an originator of the Auschwitz myth. He had been imprisoned at Birkenau in the best of conditions.. (For example, he had a room of his own.)

Extermination camp? It must have been a room with a view since...

In particular, he said that he had personally counted 150,000 Jews from France who had been gassed during a period of 24 months at Birkenau. However, Serge Klarsfeld, the Nazi-hunter, has shown that during the entire war period the Germans deported no more than about 75,721 Jews from France to all of the camps.

 

[Kurse]

I find it quite hilarious that when I look in my inbox online, I see "9/11-investigator explains the holocaust" in the Spam section.

 

[Toke]

I find it quite hilarious that when I look in my inbox online, I see "9/11-investigator explains the holocaust" in the Spam section.

Sounds very appropriate to me.