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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Yes, but were your gardeners ever hanged on a tree on the eve of the Passover?
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Well, was your Jesus stoned before being hanged?
Did his trial last 40 days?
Did he only have 5 disciples? Were their names Matai, Nekai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah? And were they executed at the same time?
Was your Jesus involved in the kingdom's government (which had been abolished at the time of Jesus)?

The brief passages does not mention the Romans either, or crucification. Or people following Yeshu after his five disciples were executed... It just doesn't match at all.
 
DOC said:
So are you saying the bible doesn't say Christ was hanged {crucified} on the eve of the Passover?
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Well; the debate on the exact death of Jesus is not closed yet (the Gospels are a bit contradictory on the subject).
But, no, considering that the last supper is generally considered to have been a passover meal, Jesus must have died the following day.
 
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So are you saying the bible doesn't say Christ was hanged {crucified} on the eve of the Passover?
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Hanged != crucified. Tree != cross. Eve of Passover != Passover (Matthew 26:18-20; Mark 14:16-18; Luke 22:13-15).
 
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Simon39759 said:
Well, was your Jesus stoned before being hanged?
Did his trial last 40 days?
Did he only have 5 disciples? Were their names Matai, Nekai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah? And were they executed at the same time?
Was your Jesus involved in the kingdom's government (which had been abolished at the time of Jesus)?

The brief passages does not mention the Romans either, or crucification. Or people following Yeshu after his five disciples were executed... It just doesn't match at all.
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The Talmud doesn't say Jesus was actually stoned, but rather hanged.

It doesn't say the trial lasted 40 days.

It doesn't say he had only 5 disciples.

And just because a certain rendition of a history doesn't mention something, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
DOC said:
The Talmud doesn't say Jesus was actually stoned, but rather hanged.

It doesn't say the trial lasted 40 days.

It doesn't say he had only 5 disciples.
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Then you're going out of your way to not read the information presented to you, and you have not read the Talmudic passages in question.

Here's the link which you have ignored yet again.
 
Simon39759 said:
Well; the debate on the exact death of Jesus is not closed yet (the Gospels are a bit contradictory on the subject).
But, no, considering that the last supper is generally considered to have been a passover meal, Jesus must have died the following day.
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So all Christmas holiday parties are on Christmas Day?
 
It says he was stoned then hanged (either alive or just to display his body as a proof).
It does says 40 days.
It does mentions the 5 disciples and their names do not match.


Have you even read the Talmud verses in question?
It's not the Jesus of the Gospels, unless the Gospels left half the story out (and thus certainly not say 'all the truth, nothing but the truth', defeating the point of this overweight bloated floating corpse of a thread).
 
Simon39759 said:
It says he was stoned then hanged (either alive or just to display his body as a proof)
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Actually it says the herald went out for 40 days to say he would be stoned. But then it said he was hanged.

On Wednesday and Friday I might say I'm going to the beach on Sunday. If I write someone the next week and say I went to the park Sunday. There is no proof I actually went to the beach on Sunday.
 
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DOC said:
Actually it says the herald went out for 40 days to say he would be stoned. But then it said he was hanged.

On Wednesday and Friday I might say I'm going to the beach on Sunday. If I write someone the next week and say I went to the park Sunday. There is no evidence I actually went to the beach on Sunday.
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What?
 
DOC said:
Actually it says the herald went out for 40 days to say he would be stoned. But then it said he was hanged.

On Wednesday and Friday I might say I'm going to the beach on Sunday. If I write someone the next week and say I went to the park Sunday. There is no proof I actually went to the beach on Sunday.
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I think DOC meant this as more evidence that the bible is true. Somehow.
 
DOC said:
The Talmud doesn't say Jesus was actually stoned, but rather hanged.

It doesn't say the trial lasted 40 days.

It doesn't say he had only 5 disciples.

And just because a certain rendition of a history doesn't mention something, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Are you going to give evidence that the Talmud writers told the truth now? I'll bet they'd rather you didn't.
 
DOC said:
Actually it says the herald went out for 40 days to say he would be stoned. But then it said he was hanged.

On Wednesday and Friday I might say I'm going to the beach on Sunday. If I write someone the next week and say I went to the park Sunday. There is no proof I actually went to the beach on Sunday.
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And if three people say you went to the park on Saturday, while two say you went on Sunday, is that not a contradiction? Wouldn't at least two people be wrong?
 
DOC said:
And just because a certain rendition of a history doesn't mention something, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Hurrah! You're making PROGRESS with that thinking thing :)

Now... join the dots and see if you can get your head around the subtle implications of what you have already acknowledged...

Just because a certain rendition of a history does mention something, doesn't mean it did happen.
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So all Christmas holiday parties are on Christmas Day?
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What about Christmas MASSES?

A passover dinner is not just a party. It is a complete and integral religious ceremony that the Jews are commended to have on Passover.
Being so fricking ignorant is your problem; using that ignorance as if it was an actual argument makes baby Yeshua cry!


DOC said:
Actually it says the herald went out for 40 days to say he would be stoned. But then it said he was hanged.

On Wednesday and Friday I might say I'm going to the beach on Sunday. If I write someone the next week and say I went to the park Sunday. There is no proof I actually went to the beach on Sunday.
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This is not a week-end vacation! This is a procedural trial! You can't condemn somebody to death by injection and suddenly decide the last day that hanging him will do just as well. That's not procedural.

But it is more than that in Jewish law. There is a religious imperative (in Leviticus 24) to stone the idolater. Executing him any other way would be to break the Jewish law!
And we are talking (well, you are, because most of us understand that it has nothing to do with Jesus Ben Joseph -also, the Sanhedrin part of the Gospels is probably not historical) about the Sadducees's Sanhedrin. The Sadducees that were especially famous for their rigid adhesion to the literal interpretation of the written Law!

Indeed, it is interesting to note how the account of Saint Stephen's death is actually consistent with the charges pressed against him (he was stoned).
 
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Wouldn't it be nice if people just talked about the subject matter of my posts and not about me. But I know that is unlikely ever to totally happen on this system. Some people hope that by continually attacking me in any way possible they can discredit what I'm talking about. You might fool some people, but I think many people can see through all that and are instead focused on the material presented (and not DOC).
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I find this interesting and am somewhat puzzled. I have attempted to respond to the content of your posts without devolving into any what what you are accusing othesr of doing. However you only seem to be responding to the posts of those that you percieve to be attacking you and not those that have are clearing only addressing the agument.

Why is that? If you want peope to respond to your argument then ignore those that you percieve to be attacking you and les get back to the points you are tying to make.

ETA: I think that the discussion seems to be back on track... such that it is....
 
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Waterman said:
I find this interesting and am somewhat puzzled. I have attempted to respond to the content of your posts without devolving into any what what you are accusing othesr of doing. However you only seem to be responding to the posts of those that you percieve to be attacking you and not those that have are clearing only addressing the agument.

Why is that? If you want peope to respond to your argument then ignore those that you percieve to be attacking you and les get back to the points you are tying to make.
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*Cough* Just what one would do if he lacked any actual argument to present *cough; cough*
What? It is flue season! :D
 
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