9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Trojan]

You know, starting to feel bad for the investigator, what with getting his *ss handed to him day in and day out -- perhaps we should have a random JREFer join him and just be a denier for a day.

Its so easy, I mean, just post some random thought and demand that everyone prove the thought wrong to the standard that you demand.

Here's I'll add a denier post

{denier mode}

Leuchter was a court approved expert and a practicing engineer with his own business until the evil Joos targeted him. Leuchter came to the conclusion, after spending two hours at the camp, that there were no homicidal gas chambers to be found.

{/denier mode}

 

[jmh423]

Completely untrue. Except for the very narrow focous of deniers, and the wilfully ignorant such as your self, there is not doubt among serious and even amature scholars that the basic facts of the holocaust remains completely intact.

Again, the burden of proving that it didn't take place isn't on me, it is on those who deny that it took place. I'm not obliged to do your research for you...especially as you yourself have admited that you are not well read on the subject. I am well read. I don't feel any obligation to prove that to you. It will be well worth your time to study the holocaust. And, you can do it by just studying the german documentation, you don't need any testimony at all... there are hundreds of sources, which you will discover with just seconds on the internet.

If you were so well read, you would know that amature is not a word.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

You know, starting to feel bad for the investigator, what with getting his *ss handed to him day in and day out -- perhaps we should have a random JREFer join him and just be a denier for a day.

I think we should wait and see if any denier "heavy weights" join the forum. Some of the older guys are very good at their arguments. We have a specific subforum for holocaust deniers at the Skeptic Society to "lure them in" and they come, but it takes time.

 

[Kurse]

Thanks to HeyLeroy I found this link he posted...ON THE FIRST PAGE.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/skeptic-magazine/skeptic-12.html

 

[Nonpareil]

Thanks to HeyLeroy I found this link he posted...ON THE FIRST PAGE.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/skeptic-magazine/skeptic-12.html

Yeah, I found that too. So far, 9/11 hasn't come up with anything that is difficult to disprove if you just use that link.

 

[Simon39759]

Uhoh, bad news for the sceptics:
http://www.rses.anu.edu.au/research/ee/index.php?p=ee_staff
Krege is listed as a member of the
Research School of Earth Sciences !!!
He IS an expert!
Give him a call and ask when his report will come out and if not, why?
Mr Richard Krege
Email:[email protected]
Phone Number:61257775
Room:112 J7
Hypothesis: he went there because he was professionally acquainted with these devices. Stronger, his link to this institution provided him with the means to borrow this very expensive equipment. And he is not publishing because he has a career to loose!! (Says the head of the department: listen Richard, I know you are a good guy, but I just got a phone call from the Australian jewish Congress. You know how it is. If you publish I am forced to fire you. Please don't make me do it. And think of your family).
Now we understand!!!
What a wonderful invention the internet is.
All the Krege sceptics debunked!
Absolute Breakthrough.
Bye bye Treblinka, all lies.

Earth Sciences means little, it is a very vague term. A meterology is earth science. Oceanography also is.
Earth sciences does not mean looking in the ground.

The same way that being a biologist do not make me competent at operating a mammogram (despite my many claims of the contrary).


Looking around on the site you link, I could not find a single project of theirs that use GPR, let alone one were Herr Krege participated. If you want to prove his competence, you need to find a list of publications using this technique to which he participated (he would most certainly be a contributing author, at the very least he would be mentioned in the acknowledgement). Google scholar might help you, albeit I could not find a single publication of him there, but you might have more patience than I do, after all, it is your argument.
Alternatively, I guess you might contact Krege yourself, I guess. Once again, your argument, your claims, your burden of proof.


And, no, the idea that he was censored by a powerful Jewish lobby is not a credible hypothesis.
There is no obligation for any academic to get the approval from his department head before publishing an article and there is literally dozens of journal that could publish such an article and that are located outside of the region covered by anti-denial laws (and these laws are not covering scholarly research to begin with).

 

[TSR]

If you were so well read, you would know that amature is not a word.

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A spelling lame?


Really?



That's *all* you got?
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[9/11-investigator]

He's in AUSTRALIA and you think he borrowed equipment to use in Poland?

I don't know, why not? Seems to fit in a suitcase:
http://www.vho.org/VffG/2000/1/Image25.jpg

 

[9/11-investigator]

And, no, the idea that he was censored by a powerful Jewish lobby is not a credible hypothesis.
There is no obligation for any academic to get the approval from his department head before publishing an article and there is literally dozens of journal that could publish such an article and that are located outside of the region covered by anti-denial laws (and these laws are not covering scholarly research to begin with).

That's bull... Germar Rudolf and Steven Jones got fired for their publications.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Thank you for that amazing effort.

Matthew considers copy and pasting a piece of text and posting it 'an amazing effort'.

Some standards!

 

[Nonpareil]

I don't know, why not? Seems to fit in a suitcase:
http://www.vho.org/VffG/2000/1/Image25.jpg

That huge thing fits in a suitcase?

That's bull... Germar Rudolf and Steven Jones got fired for their publications.

Jones retired. Rudolf was fired for racist and antisemitic remarks.

 

[Nonpareil]

Matthew considers copy and pasting a piece of text and posting it 'an amazing effort'.

Some standards!

That in no way alters the fact that your contentions are bunk.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Thanks for that. I can now list his failings.

1) Failed to do control test ( Can he identify bones or human ash using his ground pentetrating radar? He doesn't know! Where does he discriminate between soil and ash in the amplitude of the returning signal? He doesn't cite any research document..... so what was he looking for? Where are the technical details normally included in a report?)

My dear fellow, as was to be expected you completely missed the point. Krege was not looking for:

- skull and bones, let alone ash or other human remains
- golden teeth
- the fur coat of mrs. Cohen
- railway time tables listing the next train to the USSR
- written proof that uncle Adolf had commanded the Final Solution (the holywood variety of it)

He was looking for the simplest experiment possible: was the soil yes/no disturbed at the location where the alleged mass graves were situated.

2) Failed to list the brand of machine, the software or which university he used for interpretation of the raw data

Before I will take you serious in the future I want to know the following:

- type of operating system of your computer
- pixel resolution of your monitor
- software key that proves that you are working with legal software
- height of the chair your are sitting while typing your opinions

In absence of this data I unfortunately have to consider your contributions as non-scientific and can't take you seriously any longer.

 

[9/11-investigator]

9/11 has already made his feelings on peer review known.

"To hell with peer reviews. Use your common sense."

Quote out of context. You all profess to be very keen on 'peer reviews', yet when a group does produce a peer reviewed article all over sudden you will find other excuses not to accept the content of that article which conclusions you don't like.

 

[Nonpareil]

My dear fellow, as was to be expected you completely missed the point. Krege was not looking for:

- skull and bones, let alone ash or other human remains

Lie. Your own video said that he was.

Before I will take you serious in the future I want to know the following:

- type of operating system of your computer
- pixel resolution of your monitor
- software key that proves that you are working with legal software
- height of the chair your are sitting while typing your opinions

Irrelevant. Nice derail though.

In absence of this data I unfortunately have to consider your contributions as non-scientific and can't take you seriously any longer.

Quote out of context.

No.

You all profess to be very keen on 'peer reviews', yet when a group does produce a peer reviewed article all over sudden you will find other excuses not to accept the content of that article which conclusions you don't like.

No. And anyway, the Krege report has not been peer-reviewed. Hell, it hasn't even been released.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So, where is Krege's book on GPR?

Since when do you have to write a book on GPR in order to use GPR?

Okay, how about a peer-reviewed paper?

You mean, like the Bentham one? Amazing, wasn't it! Can you believe that, people preparing a building in order for it to blow up so you can start a war against the enemies of Israel in the world's gas station and create a police state at home? Awesome!
http://liamscheff.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/collapse-or-explosion-a-photo-essay-by-liam-scheff.pdf

Conyers wrote:
I looked at the web site, and the image you sent. It is only one small part of his 'grid'. The picture shows him using a 200 MHz antenna and collecting about 1 meter spaced transects in a huge grid. That image is not processed, and only shows about a 5 meter long section in one line. And even in that profile it looks like a bunch of "things" in the ground on the right hand side that could easily be mass graves. It is apparent that this guy either does not know anything of GPR, or at the very least does not know how to process it. To really do a good job, the data need to be put into a 3-D cube of reflections and processed in a batch, including ALL the profiles collected. If you really wanted to get to the bottom of this you either need to get his data and let someone else process it, or re-collect it all and re-process your own data. This is NOT a scientific or representive study of the ground by any stretch.

I saw this forum post yesterday as well. But wait a minute, what is this guy Conyers doing? Is he discussing this non-existing report? He must be clear-voyant then, able to discuss reports yet to be written. Amazing! He seems to be albe to draw a lot of conclusions from a single picture. Maybe this picture was a sample picture from some promotional material that had nothing to do with Treblinka at all.

TSR wants to pretend that discussing Krege's work by a professional is really a neutral exercise. That it is doesn't really matter whether you aprove or disaprove the results. And that in a world where you have to go to yail if you send a book about the holocaust to the mayor of your local town.

 

[wackyvorlon]

I doubt that qualified engineers normally operate these machines, more likely lower skilled personel. The only thing you have to do is walk around with the stupid thing, that's all. A 'cakewalk', to use a once favorite American expression, now somewhat discredited.

Have you operated said machine?

 

[dudalb]

Glutton for punishment, isn't he?

 

[George 152]

Have you operated said machine?

They are generally operated by archaeologists in the field and the data processed later by trained technicians.
Its just nazi gobblygook to divert the subject away from the fact of the Death Camps

 

[9/11-investigator]

I think our troubles are over. Scientific proof that Treblinka was indeed a death camp seems to exist. Your sceptic hero Michael Shermer seems to possess this kind of forensic evidence.

Somewhere on Nafcash I see: "Even though the so-called “holocaust expert” Yitzhak Arad testified in the John Demjanjuk trial that: “No trace of the extermination operation remain,” the fraudulent “skeptic” MICHAEL SHERMER claims that he’s used the methods of science to prove that the alleged millions of pounds of bone fragments and tens of millions of teeth at Treblinka (and Sobibor) really do exist! What’s wrong with this picture? To illustrate the sophistic machinations that the holocaust industry (which of course includes Shermer and his “Skeptics” Society) has gone through to make this fraudulent claim, look at this montage of quotes from Shermer’s spurious novel-as-true-history - Denying History: “The purpose of this book is to… show precisely, with solid evidence, how we know the Holocaust happened… we must obey the rules of reason and apply the tools of science… Historians both discover and describe the past, just as natural scientists… we can use the methods of science to… marshal the evidence and apply tight logic… This process is practiced by all scientists… historical scientists, geologists, paleontologists and archaeologists, to prove that anything in the past happened… We must review the physical evidence.”

What physical evidence? If Shermer, who insists that he must see compelling evidence before he believes anything, has proven the holocaust via the scientific method, then he must have located / proven the existence of tons of bone fragments and millions of teeth that proves the alleged Treblinka holocaust, right? But why then can’t the jews, who are so incredulous that rational people reject their asinine magically disappearing jew “theory,” locate / prove the existence of so much as one single bone fragment or tooth at Treblinka? And why do you think the jews have declared a literal MODERN INQUISITION to silence skeptics of the official holocaust story and punish those who wish to investigate and expose this historical fraud?"

Can you point to the evidence that Shermer has provided? Thanks in advance!