Insurance mandate opens door for solutions to other problems

FlamingMoe

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You know, if this health "reform" bill that just passed the House is signed into law, we can use the precedent it sets to fix all sorts of other problems in this country. Never before, so far as I can determine, has the government enacted a law that requires the purchase of a product or service as a condition of residing in the US. But once we get over that wall, just think of what we can do!

Worried about global warming? Just require everyone to buy a newer, more fuel-efficient car!

Economy a bit slow? Require five brand-new LED TV's in every household!

Think the kiddies could be doing better in school? Require parents to get broadband and a quad-core computer for everyone under 18!

Think the public could be more educated on current events? Require everyone to get a subscription to the New York Times!

Just think of everything we could do to make this country a better place. And all we have to do is follow the lead set by this wonderful bill (if it passes) and require people to purchase things as a condition of staying out of jail.

Constitution? WHO NEEDS IT!?!?
 
FlamingMoe said:
Never before, so far as I can determine, has the government enacted a law that requires the purchase of a product or service as a condition of residing in the US.
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I won't be required to purchase anything if the law is enacted. Last I checked, I'm a US citizen.

Fancy that.
 
GreNME said:
I won't be required to purchase anything if the law is enacted. Last I checked, I'm a US citizen.

Fancy that.
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Yeah, and if you don't purchase it you still get to live here, just in accommodations that are somewhat more cramped than you're likely used to. Prison cells aren't that roomy, you know.
 
In order to have a roof over your head, you are required to purchase accommodation or you could be arrested for vagrancy.

In order not to go naked, you have to purchase clothing or you will be arrested for public nudity.

In many places, in order to have your trash hauled away you have to contract with a hauler. (Maybe it's possible to get by without having such a contract, I'm not sure.)

In fact, in order to live in any civilized country on Earth you have to purchase personal and fire protection from the government. Oh the horror!


In my opinion, the health care insurance reform will change the lives of millions of Americans for the better. And in a few years, once people get their immediate needs seen to (conditions they have been neglecting because they currently can't afford to have them looked at), the overall health of Americans should rise, and there should be a modest decrease in the astronomical expenditures. There may even be a significant decrease.
 
Darat said:
Is car insurance (for driving on public highways) not compulsory in the USA?
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It goes by state, and fwiw the only one I know that doesn't require it is Wisconsin.
 
Darat said:
Is car insurance (for driving on public highways) not compulsory in the USA?
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Ahhhhh but you can CHOOSE whether or not to drive, just like you can CHOOSE whether or not to pay the tax that goes towards funding the military, police, fire department...... no... wait.... ummmmm
 
uk_dave said:
Ahhhhh but you can CHOOSE whether or not to drive, just like you can CHOOSE whether or not to pay the tax that goes towards funding the military, police, fire department...... no... wait.... ummmmm
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Indeed you can CHOOSE! Because you have FREE WILL! ;)
 
uk_dave said:
Ahhhhh but you can CHOOSE whether or not to drive, just like you can CHOOSE whether or not to pay the tax that goes towards funding the military, police, fire department...... no... wait.... ummmmm
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That's national defense and general welfare, but where are you going to find that in the US Constitution?
 
FlamingMoe said:
You know, if this health "reform" bill that just passed the House is signed into law, we can use the precedent it sets to fix all sorts of other problems in this country. Never before, so far as I can determine, has the government enacted a law that requires the purchase of a product or service as a condition of residing in the US.
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When you say "purchase a product", you actually mean "pay taxes", don't you?
 
FlamingMoe said:
Yeah, and if you don't purchase it you still get to live here, just in accommodations that are somewhat more cramped than you're likely used to. Prison cells aren't that roomy, you know.
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Please stop making crap up. I won't have to purchase any insurance because I have a good enough job where the insurance is rolled in.

Your TP histrionics are lame. Cry me a river.
 
Redtail said:
Darat said:
Is car insurance (for driving on public highways) not compulsory in the USA?
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It goes by state, and fwiw the only one I know that doesn't require it is Wisconsin.
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Car insurance, homeowners insurance, business insurance, travel insurance (yes, you may not know it, but part of that plane ticket pays for insurance by the airline).

Strangely, Democracy (capital D) and the Constitution have yet to implode.
 
If you don't want to buy car insurance, you can choose not to drive. Driving is not a right granted to the people in the Federal Constitution or any State Constitution (that I know of). States are free to require it. The federal government could probably use a reasonable "interstate trade" argument to regulate it.

If you don't want to buy health insurance (under the House bill) you can do... what? Pay a fine? Maybe someone could point me to an article of the Constitution that states that the Federal Government has the authority to require private citizens to purchase products.
 
GreNME said:
Car insurance, homeowners insurance, business insurance, travel insurance (yes, you may not know it, but part of that plane ticket pays for insurance by the airline).

Strangely, Democracy (capital D) and the Constitution have yet to implode.
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I wonder if FlamingMoe is an online alias of Glenn Beck..
 
Newtons Bit said:
If you don't want to buy car insurance, you can choose not to drive. Driving is not a right granted to the people in the Federal Constitution or any State Constitution (that I know of). States are free to require it. The federal government could probably use a reasonable "interstate trade" argument to regulate it.

If you don't want to buy health insurance (under the House bill) you can do... what? Pay a fine? Maybe someone could point me to an article of the Constitution that states that the Federal Government has the authority to require private citizens to purchase products.
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Perhaps you can point me to where in the Constitution it states specifically that the federal government can require airlines to charge me extra for their travel insurance.

Seriously, get off these corny statements. They show what a shallow understanding of the Constitution many Americans have (government tax of my property? *bluster fluffle whuf*), and all they're doing is hiding your actual arguments anyway: OMG SOCIALISM!
 
Cleon said:
Where would we be without hysteria?
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Having effective political discussions. There would be accomplishments, bills would be passed and so on. The 24 hour news channels wouldn't know what to do, so they would invent even more stories to fill the airtime. This will then result in hysteria about other things.

Hmm, it seems we might have reached a point that hysteria is a conserved quantity.
 
uk_dave said:
Ahhhhh but you can CHOOSE whether or not to drive, just like you can CHOOSE whether or not to pay the tax that goes towards funding the military, police, fire department...... no... wait.... ummmmm
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You can choose not to pay tax, don't earn money.
 
GreNME said:
Perhaps you can point me to where in the Constitution it states specifically that the federal government can require airlines to charge me extra for their travel insurance.
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Commerce clause, "interstate trade". Which I stated in my post applies to car insurance, it's pretty clear that it could be used to regulate airline travel.

Seriously, get off these corny statements. They show what a shallow understanding of the Constitution many Americans have (government tax of my property? *bluster fluffle whuf*), and all they're doing is hiding your actual arguments anyway: OMG SOCIALISM!
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Stop creating strawmen. I have no problem with individual States creating their own UHC if that is what the population their wants. I would prefer that the US government not create a national UHC, but given the Supreme Court's previous rulings on Social Secruity and Medicare they might have that Constitutional authority.

I don't think that the government has a right to force me to buy a product from a company with no exceptions. I understand why their doing it. I don't even disagree with the reasons. I just don't think that the federal government currently has the authority to tell me that I have buy health insurance or pay a fine.

You would know that by reading my posts in the forum. However, reading someone's posts isn't as exciting as arguing against, "OMG SOCIALISM!!@!"
 
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