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How do you guys explain really bizarre cases of synchronicity?

In his book Synchronicity (1952), Jung tells the following story as an example of a synchronistic event: "A young woman I was treating had, at a critical moment, a dream in which she was given a golden scarab. While she was telling me this dream, I sat with my back to the closed window. Suddenly I heard a noise behind me, like a gentle tapping. I turned round and saw a flying insect knocking against the window-pane from the outside. I opened the window and caught the creature in the air as it flew in. It was the nearest analogy to a golden scarab one finds in our latitudes, a scarabaeid beetle, the common rose-chafer (Cetonia aurata), which, contrary to its usual habits had evidently felt the urge to get into a dark room at this particular moment. I must admit that nothing like it ever happened to me before or since."
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity

Interesting that the part of Jung's book you mention is a scientifically meaningless anecdote, while the second half of that book, the only part that could be considered scientific by any stretch of the imagination, fails completely to find a synchronicity effect. (Although Jung makes a valiant effort to pull some significance out of a meta-analysis that he tacked on as an afterthought.)
 
I should have stated that one of these 'all the same digits' times would be the time when I checked the clock, which may have only happened once or twice a day. I didn't always see all of those possible times, and I saw 3:33 more often than the others. Lots of times, when I got up to pee at 3:33, I didn't even look at the clock.
So, if I understand what you're saying correctly, while you didn't check the time on your digital clock that often, whenever you did check it (perhaps once or twice a day), you always saw one of six times (1:11, 2:22, 3:33, 4:44, 5:55, or 11:11) for a period of more than one year? If that's the case, and you averaged 1.5 checks per day for even 366 days, you would have checked the time on a total of about 549 (366 times 1.5) occasions, and saw only six different times, while never seeing any of the other 714 possible times.

As far as reconciling anything vs laws (of probability, which are made to be broken)
I like that take. :)

I find the universe to be quite strange. The weird deal with the clock is pretty mild.
Your life must be interesting. ;)
 
Hi guys! Still here, still "believe in synchronicity."

As I said before, not interested in going in argumentative circles about the teapot story anymore - but several people seem confused about what the teapot co-incidence could possibly mean - was the universe telling me that I should I be drinking more tea?

I realize now I have failed, in several attempts at telling the tale, to give adequate treatment to this ... at first, this was deliberate, as it took me quite some time to work it out.

So I started to write a post here about it ... when I was struck with deja vu! ... and realized I'd written about it before.

So I dug around and found this "addendum" to the teapot tale, written in January of 2008.


Oh, that's something I fudged a bit on the site. It was just too hard to talk about publicly, after steeping for so many years in a atheistic, nihilistic, fundamental-rationalist punk rock mindset.

Let's start with California, where I had my mystical experience. It was one of the handful of times in my life I've done acid. I tried to make it subtly obvious with the section title to those who would know ("California Tripping"). A lot of people tend to scorn drug-induced mystical experiences and such, but I don't. (Check out this interesting study from John Hopkins: http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html)

Anyway. We were peaking as we walked out toward the point, a 5 mile hike along some of the most stimulating scenery I have ever seen. Somewhere along the way, getting to the endmost point became a "pilgrimage" and the experience took on mounting spiritual significance as the drug and our set and setting conspired to awe the living **** out of us and make me see god.


Not the usual American 'God,' but the faceless Eastern everything and everywhere root-of-all-being god. The sun was beginning to set over the ocean as we walked back, and I found I could stare directly into it for as long as I wanted to.* I also smoked a bowl of lichens from a tree. You know how it is, maybe. Hopefully. (The things that you get up to while tripping, that is, not the lichen smoking specifically.)

Hmm, those are things I did, not things I thought, which I wanted to try to remember and talk about. Argh, this is impossible and ridiculous (see: "ineffable").

OK, I saw that everything was so deeply and complexly and inextricably interconnected that everything everywhere and when was literally one. And that 'everything was OK' – I imagine you can see why I didn't go into this stuff on the website – that there was nothing worth stressing over, that I could create the reality I wanted to live in, that I have the ability to do anything I choose to do. That it was OK to leave behind my ideas about who I'd thought I Really Was and Would Always Be as a boy and as a punk, that there was no reason to feel conflicted about working to succeed at a job or buying a house or maybe someday getting married or settling down to raise kids. And also that there was no reason to be worried if I didn't actually wind up doing any of those things, or even if I did go back to feeling conflicted or stressed about any of it – that even feeling miserable sometimes or not achieving or fleeing from or chasing illusions were OK, too. I knew this wasn't a perspective I'd ever be able to fully hold onto, and as I babbled happily to Jacque, I repeatedly mentioned this – none of this will really make sense later, or feel true even though it is true, but that's OK too …"

Right now I don't really remember much of the rest of it, but suffice to say it was more of the above 'totally hippie' ****, that I still have a hard time writing about - it makes me feel vulnerable, I guess. But keep in mind, as I will try to do – this story leads directly to me finding those teapots, and those teapots are friggin Weird, drugs or not.


So.


We had just gotten back to the car as the sun went completely beneath the low Pacific horizon. We were still tripping, but post-peak I am always more, and not less, able to navigate reality effectively (versus when I'm sober). So I opted to drive us back into town. The road from Point Reyes back to the highway was an archetypical dark and winding road, twisting like a worm as it dodged through a primeval redwood forest.

I put the Devo song "That's Good" on repeat on the rental car's stereo and wove through the looming trees and thick darkness at a speed that had Jacque silently fighting terror but which felt perfectly sedate to me, so confident was I in my ability to intuitively 'navigate reality.' I know I was going faster than I would have even gone normally, and I know it was my very confidence in my ability to do so that made it possible – just as my lack of confidence in such manuevering while not under the influence of LSD would have sent me hurtling off the road.

Once we emerged from the forest and reentered the fringes of civilization, it became clear that the trip's influence had also changed my navigational habits – I didn't check a map once, never doubting my "subconscious" or intuition's ability to bring me where I wanted to go.

We flew through the backroads to the country roads to the major highway heading south toward San Francisco glowing from the other side of the Golden Gate bridge, still tripping, but no longer listening to Devo on repeat.

When we got to the tollbooths at the fringes of the city, I blew straight through the open lanes, which legally required a remotely-scannable pass that I of course did not have. In the state of mind I was in, it was hard to care even a little bit about such formalities.

(Unfortunately, they can figure out who was driving a rental car and mail you a ticket. Fortunately, San Francisco is a city with very progressive and reasonable fines.)

The next morning I was no longer tripping, but was still very much feeling the aftereffects of my shifts in perception. I felt good. Really good. Nothing could bother me, and I was able to navigate the end of the vacation – the first one I'd ever really planned and executed by myself – without a hitch – hotel checkout, final trips around town, rental car return, bus ride, return flight – no worries, no problems, and still feeling pretty amazingly connected and in tune with the universe.

My memory gets a little fuzzy after the return home – I know the thrift store trip (when I bought the first teapot) was within a week of my return, and that in that time I was still in the mystical afterglow – but that it was fading, and the raging skeptic in me was demanding a recount with increasing fervor.

How the hell could intuition be trusted, when its voice was so easily imitated by ego and paranoia? How could I justify taking on a belief system that was essentially magical and faith-based? Wasn't my experience explained most simply by wishful thinking and drugs in the sunshine?

When we went to the thrift store that weekend, I was still trying to live by intuition, but my abilities to do so were fading as the power of my convictions did. I wasn't using creative license in the website story when I described that part – I really was drawn to the teapot weirdly, I really did struggle with my desire to buy it, I really did decide to do so explictly because of the 'take away' lessons from my acid trip, and I did actually say aloud "I just feel like I want this in my house." The discovery of the twin teapot, the day I bought the house, went down exactly as described, except for the part I already explained, about how I wasn't immediately awestruck, and tried rationalizing the coincidence away until I couldn't do it anymore (which might have been later that night or even the next day, I don't actually recall – see a future post about my utterly terrible memory, if I remember to write it).

The final place I fudged in the teapot tale was about the Aftermath. I said I didn't think I could know what the teapots meant. Well, rationally, intellectually, that was true.

But I'm living in a post-teapots reality now, and I'm finding that there are other kinds of Truth than the things you can prove logically. That there are "reasons that reason never knows," as Pascal or some other theologian guy said.


I think I do know why the teapots happened, but it's irrational and insane.


The teapots happened because I wanted to know if I could follow my intuition – is the universe really interconnected or alive in ways that made walking by faith not only possible, but even ... paradoxically ... rational?


Are the boundaries between self and reality, mind and matter, fuzzy enough? Is the universe insanely complex enough? Enough that even if totally materialist and causal, it's nonetheless indistinguishable, from our human perspectives, from magic?



In a nutshell, I was asking if I should Believe in Magic.



And the goddamn universe said "Yes."


... and it's kept on saying yes, ever since.


Here's one more than I found pretty darn interesting, from right after I first posted the teapot tale online:


In the aftermath of the teapots, I launched into a flurry of research into synchronicity – I wanted to know everything that people had written about it in the past, what people were thinking and experiencing today, etc. In this spirit I started a Google Alert for blogs and news mentioning the word ’synchronicity.’

This led me to several discussions of the Police album and many irrelevant posts by two blogs with “synchronicity” in their titles – one by a guy named Rashad, and the other titled “Sweet Tea & Synchronicity” (which is no longer online, sadly).

When I came across her blog, the author of ‘Sweet Tea & Synchronicity’ wasn’t blogging about synchronicity; she was talking about her struggle with depression, mostly. But I found myself reading her blog anyway.

Then one day, a few weeks after I posted the Teapots story on the Action Squad website, I saw another disheartened post from her – and followed a sudden and unprecedented impulse to send a stranger an unsolicited email:

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Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:20:16 PM

Hey! Hey lady! Cheer up!

http://www.actionsquad.org/crawlspace1.html

Max

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D quickly responded, and we began emailing back and forth:

Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:12:54 PM

wow…who are you? may i ask….how did you find me? and why?

when i saw your letter it was right after having a very interesting conversation with a friend.

i feel like the universe is speaking to me. so what do you want to tell me tonight?

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Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:50:05 PM

That teapots happen, apparently.

I dunno – if I’m being used as a mouthpiece for the universe, it’s unlikely I’d be any more aware of the message I contain than these words are, or these dang teapots are.

… anyway, I found you through synchronicity, literally.

Did a Google Alert that would pull together various websites, blogs, news sources and feed them to me – anything that came for the word “synchronicity.”

Your blog came up a few days in a row, so I saw your ‘bad feeling times’ start up as you posted.

I just had an impulse to contact you, figured I’d send you to the teapot tale. Tied in to your apparent interest in synchronicity, and also seemed a good message for somebody feeling as you were. Some connection to you, not sure how/what …I’m trying to surf the flow of reality a bit, and am learning to just go where intuition takes me. Emailing you was part of that, although I don’t know what, if anything it meant or means …

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Thursday, December 21, 2006 4:19:09 PM

before coming inside to read your letter i had been out with one of my friends. we sat in a coffee shop talking about all sorts of things and…my depression. we talked about how hard it is to cope sometimes. my son who has autism is vey challenging and…i was telling my friend that some days i just want to give up. now…my friend is catholic. i am…well…no religion. i do believe in god but that is as far as it ever went. i am not religious in the least.

but in the midst of my depression i have been having some rather spiritual thoughts…thoughts about my “path” and how i do feel called to do what i am doing…helping my son. there is so much to my life story…i will just stick with yesterday’s events for now. anyway…my friend was telling me that sometimes ordinary folk are saint like…imperfect but on this path…and the important thing is not the outcome but the journey and our faithfulness to this path. and…her words comforted me.

my friend only had so much time and…she had to go…she was already late for getting home and she said to me…”diane i wish we had more time to talk about all this.” know that there is much more to this story and that we had been talking about synchronicities all evening.

when it was time for us to leave…lol…her clutch would NOT work. she asked me to try it. i tried it. it wouldn’t budge. she told me this had never happened before. then she recounted this story about how this one nun had wanted to have this conversation with a bishop…and he had to go…and then a thunderstorm came..preventing him from going. that conversation needed to happen. as we were in her car…we kept talking. she called her husband then to pick us up…and lo and behold…when she and i…tried the clutch…by magic it worked.

then… i come home… i read your letter…and your teapot story and then…you say…”teapots happen” and i am like….what the **** is going on? LOL more? i am going right out to buy me a teapot. may i please share your link on my blog? would you mind?

and please tell me the teapot story is real.

——————

Several more emails and a couple of days later, while I was at my sister’s house in Illinois for the Christmas holiday, D added a new blog post – not about synchronicity or about teapots as the previous few had been, but about a host of strange physical and mental symptoms she had been experiencing – and how she was afraid to go to the doctor and find out what the problem was.

She revealed that a decade before, she’d had Optic Neuritis in her left eye, and had been told she might eventually develop Multiple Sclerosis.

I was shocked to read it – because what D didn’t know was that the day I got back to Minneapolis from my sister’s house, I was going to be having an MRI – to find out if I had multiple sclerosis … because I’d had Optic Neuritis in my left eye that summer.

mri2006.jpg


A new flurry of emails erupted: we were both pretty freaked out by it, and then we shared the experience of going through the limbo diagnosis of “probable MS” – inconsistent, inconclusive symptoms, repeated MRIs, and months of uncertainty in between.

We were both formally diagnosed with MS later that year.
 
Because Teapots Happens says that he felt compelled to buy that something, and then, just a week later, he found the same something buried beneath the house he had lived in for eight years.

So, have you reverted to the point that synchrosity is such because the person to whom the event occured felt that it was important?

If most personal examples on this thread (and there are many), where people have described long odds events in their own life and gone "meh!" are synchrosity, have you ever thought there was a reason or purpose behind it?

Coincidences happen. Most people go "meh!" Some go wow, this changed my life. How exactly this change to life has actually occured has not been posted here. Well I did post earlier how one very unusual event changed my life, and went *meh!* I don't think synchrosity had anything to do with it.

Earlier on this thread I actually asked Teapost Happen how this event changed his life, and the answer was effectively no, it didn't.

If there is such a thing, it is a pretty useless part of the Universe. I seriously want to know what you think it actually is, other than **** happens?

Norm
 
Wow! Teapots Happen and I cross posted. What are the odds? There you go Teapots Happen. Synchrosity must exist!

Norm
 
I often see triple digits, but the way that it happens is really weird. Like, I'll keep seeing the numbers 444 everywhere for a few days...in really random places - not just looking at the clock. It happens with other triple numbers, too (222, 333, 555, etc.) and those are the only triple numbers I'll see for a few days. I won't see 444 when I'm going through a 555 phase, for example. What would cause these occurrences to be isolated from other triple numbers like that, if not synchronicity? I'm pretty sure someone's going to suggest that the triple numbers are always present and I'm just not noticing them, but I can't agree. The thing is, I always notice triple numbers (they trigger an automatic alertness in me) so I would notice if there were other sets of triple numbers present at a time. And most of the time, there just aren't any others. The same goes for any other synchronicity (or set of coincidences...what ever you want to call it) I experience. I will see them in clusters.

I'm sorry that I've had a lot of really bizarre posts lately and people have accused me of trolling. I'm not. It's just that I've been going through some really weird, possibly spiritual things lately but I don't understand what they mean. It gets a lot weirder than the stuff I've revealed so far. To be honest, I'd rather have you guys look at this stuff and pick it apart than go to another forum and be given some fake answer from a New Age guru or a religious fanatic. It might help me think about it differently.
 
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...What would cause these occurrences to be isolated from other triple numbers like that, if not synchronicity?

You have an interesting question if you just remove the words "if not synchronicity" from the end.

They don't seem to contribute anything useful.
 
Okay, so let's remove those words. I'm very open to the possibility of another explanation, even though I don't seem like it most of the time.

Where would we even start if we're considering alternate explanations?
 
I guess we'd start in the mind of the observer, but I'm not a psychologist, and I'm not going to pretend I know the answer to your puzzle.
 
Where would we even start if we're considering alternate explanations?

You're ignoring the many cases where you presumably haven't seen triples.

There's nothing special if you aren't looking for it.

Although I have recently noticed that everywhere I go I can see fragments of PI in order - I'm just not sure which digit they're starting at...
 
When this happens to me, I'm not consciously looking for it - quite the opposite, really. I'll usually be off in my own little world thinking of something else altogether (or hardly thinking at all, as the case may be) and then - BAM. I'll see something that matches up with all of the other coincidences. And when I try to look for it, to test it, it stops showing up. It seems to be related to the subconscious mind somehow. Is it possible that maybe our subconscious mind assigns some sort of meaning to numbers even when our conscious mind doesn't? Like, we'll be noticing a certain set of numbers more due to the part of the brain that we've been using the most lately?

The Pi thing is quite interesting.
 
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When this happens to me, I'm not consciously looking for it - quite the opposite, really. I'll usually be off in my own little world thinking of something else altogether (or hardly thinking at all, as the case may be) and then - BAM. I'll see something that matches up with all of the other coincidences. And when I try to look for it, to test it, it stops showing up. It seems to be related to the subconscious mind somehow. Is it possible that maybe our subconscious mind assigns some sort of meaning to numbers even when our conscious mind doesn't? Like, we'll be noticing a certain set of numbers more due to the part of the brain that we've been using the most lately?

The Pi thing is quite interesting.

Well I don't know, Marshmallow. It seems to me that by now you have decided that the triplets are important. When I am distracted I notice less, generally: but I do notice my name if someone says it, for example. You notice things which have significance for you, in other words. There is no significance at all in my name except that it is my name; there is no reason to suppose that it is said more often than other names (well of course it is likely to be said more often around me: but the general point holds I think). I do not see you have established there is anything to be surprised at, really
 
When this happens to me, I'm not consciously looking for it - quite the opposite, really.

Right - but that in and of itself is nothing unusal at all given the way attention works.

Consciousness is the last stage of information processing where things determined to be of most interest are given the most attention. There are all sorts of bits of information that are dropped - you are not, because you just can't be, fully aware of the fully set of sensory information you are receiving.

Is it possible that maybe our subconscious mind assigns some sort of meaning to numbers even when our conscious mind doesn't?

See the above; this is always the case regardless of what it is you are paying attention to.

Your "consciousness" doesn't pay attention to anything other than what it is told to pay attention to. The sensation is one of control but the reality of it is that it is just another part of the system.

The Pi thing is quite interesting.

I think you've missed the point (because it is a little obscure mathematical joke) - the nature of the number PI pretty much guarantees my statement to be true no matter what numbers I happen to have observed.
 
When this happens to me, I'm not consciously looking for it - quite the opposite, really. I'll usually be off in my own little world thinking of something else altogether (or hardly thinking at all, as the case may be) and then - BAM. I'll see something that matches up with all of the other coincidences. And when I try to look for it, to test it, it stops showing up. It seems to be related to the subconscious mind somehow. Is it possible that maybe our subconscious mind assigns some sort of meaning to numbers even when our conscious mind doesn't? Like, we'll be noticing a certain set of numbers more due to the part of the brain that we've been using the most lately?

The Pi thing is quite interesting.

This really makes sense, though, taking into consideration what we know about attention. What comes to our attention is very different from what is available - it's like we apply a very selective and eccentric filter to the millions of bits of sensory inputs available to us. The patterns that come to our attention reflect the patterns of the filters not the patterns inherent in the data that is bombarding us. When that filter is in place - i.e. we are distracted and only a tiny handful of events are brought to our notice - the pattern is present. When that filter is removed - i.e. we pay attention to everything - the pattern disappears.

Linda
 

Yeah, I get the sense that some of you don't spend your time forcing yourself to find connections - letting them come to you instead. I suggest that you try it.

Not considered synchronicity by whom?

By Quarky and Bronwyn Elko.

To me, if Quarky's and Bronwyn's stories are accurate, they are classic examples of synchronicity.

Why?

The teapots, Linda, the teapots!

But the teapots weren't part of the "nature" of the events. They were simply one element, out of hundreds or thousands of elements attached to the dozens of events which would have happened during that time period, whose repetition TeapotsHappen choose to consider significant. It could have been a vase or an old appliance or a dead animal instead.

You don't find at all unusual the timing of a scarabaeid beetle knocking on a window to a darkened room where Jung's patient was relating a dream in which she was given a golden scarab?

Let's see what wiki says about scarabs. Twenty-five percent of all life forms are insects, 40% of insects are beetles, and about 10% of beetles are scarabaeidae. Rather than Jung being surprised that he encountered a life form which represents 2.5% of all life forms, it is the beetle who should have been surprised at encountering a life form which represents 0.00006% of all life forms.

By the way, according to http://ofscarabs.blogspot.com/2009/04/golden-scarab.html -- "Jung knew the scarab is a symbol of rebirth in Egyptian mythology and believed the dream might portend some sort of psychological rebirth that would pull her out of the excessive rationalism that had impeded her treatment. As he was about to say as much, he heard a noise behind him and glanced around to see an insect fluttering at the glass. He opened the window to let the bug in, caught it, and discovered it was the closest thing his area had to a scarab beetle. Jung then shared his interpretation of the dream and from that point forward, the stunned patient started to improve."

What would have happened in the absence of synchronicity?

Because Teapots Happens says that he felt compelled to buy that something, and then, just a week later, he found the same something buried beneath the house he had lived in for eight years.

Let me try again. Was the significance of those events specified before they happened or after?

Linda
 
"Oh, well, this would be one of those circumstances that people unfamiliar with the law of large numbers would call a coincidence." - Sheldon Cooper.
 
You're ignoring the many cases where you presumably haven't seen triples.

There's nothing special if you aren't looking for it.

Although I have recently noticed that everywhere I go I can see fragments of PI in order - I'm just not sure which digit they're starting at...

I never noticed Honda Elements on the road until I bought one...now they're everywhere! What could possibly be the explanation, if not synchronicity?
;)
 
The odds against every single one of my ancestors having met the necessary other one, at just exactly the right moment in their lives to carry on the extended chain of improbable events which has ultimately produced me, is so mind-blowingly , staggeringly gigantinormiffic that I would have a very swollen head indeed if I didn't believe in blind chance. Or , if my existence is not "significant" enough for you, then consider the even more mind boggling series of coincidences that resulted in both me existing to write this post and YOU being here to read it!
Twoowy awesome!
 

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