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Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

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Larry Battson is screwy. Everytime I check out him talking about Bigfoot I think you've got it bad. He engages in full Bigfoot apologism with gusto.

I got an email. This guy tells me he saw Bigfoot. He raises his shotgun to let that Bigfoot have it, that Bigfoot takes a step towards him, and his knees turn to jelly.

This other guy, he's got a horse trough. If he runs out of horse feed, those Bigfoots bang on his house and scream like crazy. He makes sure that sucker is stocked up.

This other time, this guy sees this Bigfoot behind a tree outside his cabin. He decides to shoot the tree to scare it away. Oops, he shot it in the face, it drops like a rock. Two seconds later this other one shows up, threw that thing up over its shoulder, and disappears in the woods.

Mr. Animal Guy, you tell good foo foo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPwTbjM9F0w
 
William Parcher said:
Yes. Of course it's uninteresting to hear the explanation for why there was no massacre. But otherwise, it is interesting for a skeptic to hear this radio show. Do you think Battson does enough ass-kissing of the two great ones? Of course he is a PGF-believer and it's the only way a show like this could ever exist. Gimlin retells the story of the Patty encounter and IMO always seems to be making it up as he goes. He inserts certain facts about the events, and a person could take notes of this interview to look for contradictions and irregularities.

It's charming to hear John Green give a big thumbs-up to Matt Moneymaker and the BFRO as being the best of the modern BF researchers... considering that they are unliked by a certain percentage of Bigfooters. I guess Green has no use for claims of shenannigans during BFRO expeditions.
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You are a stronger person than me. I couldn't get past the 3 minute mark.

There is a thread about it on the BFF where they are claiming the fact that Gimlin knew there was a full moon that night was further proof he was there on the date he claims so the film is of a real bigfoot.

Does anyone claim we was not there on that date? Isn't the theory that they shot the film earlier but then went back to stage the event?
 
kitakaze said:
Larry Battson is screwy. Everytime I check out him talking about Bigfoot I think you've got it bad. He engages in full Bigfoot apologism with gusto.

I got an email. This guy tells me he saw Bigfoot. He raises his shotgun to let that Bigfoot have it, that Bigfoot takes a step towards him, and his knees turn to jelly.

This other guy, he's got a horse trough. If he runs out of horse feed, those Bigfoots bang on his house and scream like crazy. He makes sure that sucker is stocked up.

This other time, this guy sees this Bigfoot behind a tree outside his cabin. He decides to shoot the tree to scare it away. Oops, he shot it in the face, it drops like a rock. Two seconds later this other one shows up, threw that thing up over its shoulder, and disappears in the woods.

Mr. Animal Guy, you tell good foo foo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPwTbjM9F0w
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He's excited about 21" footprints with a 8' stride that have no drag marks at the toes or heels so the animal was walking in an up and down manner. As he describes it, "boom, boom, boom".

Uh, Larry, dontcha think 21" footprints that have no drag marks are a real good sign of a hoax???
 
GT/CS said:
You are a stronger person than me. I couldn't get past the 3 minute mark.

There is a thread about it on the BFF where they are claiming the fact that Gimlin knew there was a full moon that night was further proof he was there on the date he claims so the film is of a real bigfoot.

Does anyone claim we was not there on that date? Isn't the theory that they shot the film earlier but then went back to stage the event?
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The transcript is posted at BFF now. This represents the most recent interview of Bob Gimlin (and John Green).

Concerning the full moon recollection: I know of no skeptics who suggest that Gimlin was not at Bluff Creek on October 20, 1967. There are witnesses of him at Hodgeson's. Interestingly, Al said that Gimlin didn't say anything right after the supposed encounter. Roger did all of the talking.

Larry Battson: So how did Roger put it to you, Bob, that, "We're gonna go out and look for bigfoot?"

Bob Gimlin: Well, the reason that Roger came to my place was that somebody down there, and I don't recall who he told me, called him and told him that there's was fresh tracks in the new dirt where they were starting to, they wanted to start building logging roads back in that area up above where we camped, quite a ways up there. And they had put a tank in there. I had first thought it was a fuel tank, but somebody said later that it was a water tank, but anyway it was a tank that they'd put in there, and when the came back to work on Tuesday morning, I think they said. I think they put it in there on a Friday evening on Labor Day weekend and on the Tuesday morning when they came back to work there was three different sizes of footprints all around there in the dirt. And then when Roger came down here and wanted me to take him down there, oh, I couldn't get away from here right away now because I was working construction so it took me a while to get a leave from the job and get somebody to take care of my animals here because I had quite a few animals at that time, cows and horses. And my wife was working a full time job so she couldn't do it. So I had to get somebody to take care of things here before I could take Roger down there.
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Battson: Had you and Roger discussed if you had the opportunity that you would shoot one?

Gimlin: Well, we had kind of, in a way, and had not much because when we talked about that, that was, oh, probably a year or so before that. And Roger said, "You know, so many people are shooting at these creatures, and I think that's the wrong thing to do." And I said, "Well, if they're human type, definitely the wrong thing to do." And we never said anything about it down there...
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So many people shooting at them? :confused: It's wrong to do that? Why is it wrong when nobody ever hits the Bigfoot? If Gimlin would have shot, he would have missed Patty. You can bet on it.

The Bigfoot phenomenon is really weird for a living creature. People never hit Bigfoot when they shoot, and Bigfoot never hits people when he chucks huge rocks at them.
 
William Parcher said:
The Bigfoot phenomenon is really weird for a living creature. People never hit Bigfoot when they shoot, and Bigfoot never hits people when he chucks huge rocks at them.
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Bigfoot throws like a girl but BFRO turkeys giving expedition members an "experience" have great aim...

Aaron did a series of three moans. He raidioed back and said that a rock had just hit him in the chest and asked what he should do? Robert told him to moan again.
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William Parcher said:
The transcript is posted at BFF now. This represents the most recent interview of Bob Gimlin (and John Green).
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I don't have the time to check out the transcript or the podcast version of the interview. Was it pre-Munns Report and if so, did Gimlin give a height estimate for Patty?

So many people shooting at them? :confused:
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I share your confusion. I can only think of two stories involving someone shooting at Bigfoot that were told pre-PGF: Ape Canyon and one where a hunter claimed to have shot one thinking it was a bear.
 
Gimlin: Well, we had kind of, in a way, and had not much because when we talked about that, that was, oh, probably a year or so before that. And Roger said, "You know, so many people are shooting at these creatures, and I think that's the wrong thing to do." And I said, "Well, if they're human type, definitely the wrong thing to do." And we never said anything about it down there...
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Down where? Bluff Creek? They didn't talk about not shooting one at Bluff Creek?
 
AtomicMysteryMonster said:
I don't have the time to check out the transcript or the podcast version of the interview. Was it pre-Munns Report and if so, did Gimlin give a height estimate for Patty?



I share your confusion. I can only think of two stories involving someone shooting at Bigfoot that were told pre-PGF: Ape Canyon and one where a hunter claimed to have shot one thinking it was a bear.
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Post Munns. November 5th, I think.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Down where? Bluff Creek? They didn't talk about not shooting one at Bluff Creek?
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Right. My understanding of what he is saying is that he and Roger talked about not shooting a Bigfoot if they encountered one. This conversation was a year before Bluff Creek. Apparently there was no need to discuss it again once they got to Bluff Creek.

Gimlin seems to also indicate that Roger had been down to Bluff Creek (or nearby) in prior years.


Battson: How many times had you and Roger been in that area before that day?

Gimlin: Well, I'd never been there.

Battson: You'd never been ...

Gimlin: ... No I'd never been there before, and I don't know whether, I think Roger had been down there somewhere in that area.

Green: Yes, he had.

Battson: Yeah, John was it Bob Titmus that, I don't know how you should say it, told it about that area? Or is that how that came about or?

Green: No, it wasn't. Ivan Sanderson had written about it in True Magazine, and that's what got Roger interested. And he'd been down there in 1964 and got a very nice cast of a print. Not the one, the creature in the movie, but the original bigfoot. I don't know how much time he spent down there, but I know there's (...?...) that time.
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I thought the 1958 Jerry Crew cast was the original Bigfoot. He found tracks that Ray Wallace had made.
 

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Wallace was apparently fond of the "double-ball" or "chubby ball" when creating fake tracks. He carved that into his wooden feet. It doesn't always show up completely in any given imprint. Wallace made various sizes and shapes of fake feet, but there is a sort of theme to all of them.

I think the 1958 Crew cast shows some of the Wallace ball, but is not complete. Some copied images seem to have been modified (PhotoShop?) which may reduce the hint of the Wallace ball. Maybe I'm wrong, but the ball area below the big toe seems to get "straightened" in some image copies.

Follow these links and keep an eye on the subtle (partial) Wallace ball just below the big toe.

http://www.mcclean.org/bigfootsongs/uploaded_images/GWCrew_and_AGenzoli-779987.JPG

http://www.mcclean.org/bigfootsongs/uploaded_images/GWCrew_holding_cast_CrewFamilyArchives_small-721899.JPG

http://www.mcclean.org/bigfootsongs/uploaded_images/JerryCrew-736604.jpg

http://www.bigfootproject.org/images/matthews/green_crew.jpg
 
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The Bigfoot phenomenon is really weird for a living creature. People never hit Bigfoot when they shoot, and Bigfoot never hits people when he chucks huge rocks at them.

kitakaze said:
Bigfoot throws like a girl but BFRO turkeys giving expedition members an "experience" have great aim...
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I have heard of plenty of investigators who have been hit by rocks and pine cones. The question is, who or what threw it.
 
WGBH said:
I have heard of plenty of investigators who have been hit by rocks and pine cones. The question is, who or what threw it.
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We've all HEARD of Bigfooters getting hit, or at least thrown at, by the Big Hairy. and don't fool yourself, the question from Meldrum wasn't 'Who or What Threw it'


 
W: Bob how did you feel when you saw it, did you think someone was pulling a gag on you?

B: No, not really, it was, it was surprising, and we talked about these things many times, and actually talked what we would do if we happened to see one ....

W: Now before we finish the chase, you had your rifle out of the scabbard, what kind of rifle was it?

B: Thirty ought six (30.06) rifle

W: You can use a rifle, obviously

B: Yes, I can, I've grown up ....

W: It would be worth a hundred thousand dollars cash to you if you had raised that rifle and shot this creature. You must have known that.

B: I don't believe I could do it.

W: Even if you just wounded it.

B: Well, I, like Roger said .

R: That would be a mess.

W: A mess?

R: A mess. . Both Bob and I, we had agreed that we will not shoot one of these creatures, and if she would attack us, whether we would be protecting our lives, I think that we would have to fear for our own lives if we were to wound one and, and make a total mess out of something like ....
 
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