Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

[SweatyYeti]

Physically............Impossible.

 

[Vortigern99]

Here's a radical hypothesis that would explain why the skeletal dimensions of the PG figure are wholly normative and human with the sole exception being the shoulder width and the crest of the head:

It's a suit and mask.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Hey Vort.......

It's a Bigfoot! BOO!!......

 

[Vortigern99]

Well, if you post your opinion in conjunction with a dozen pictures of the Jeffersons doing some kind of weird dance, logic dictates that I can only accept your proposition as 100% valid and sensible.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Well, if you post your opinion in conjunction with a dozen pictures of the Jeffersons doing some kind of weird dance, logic dictates that I can only accept your proposition as 100% valid and sensible.

Well....................aaaaaaaaaaaaactually, Vort...........I posted my opinion in conjunction with the graphic at the end of the previous page........you know, the graphic which shows, with numerical certainty, that Bob's elbows cannot possibly reach the positions that Patty's can.....and did.


You, on the other hand, posted your opinion in conjunction with.......................................nothing.


Heck.....I'll dance to that!......

 

[kitakaze]

Vintage kitakaze on the PGF...





4 days later...

Oh my dear goodness, that is quite a find. You found my very first post!

This is my first time time joining an internet forum of any kind so please have patience with the obviousness of it. Since around 2003 I've been a regular reader of the bff.com as I've had a lifelong interest in the bigfoot/sasquatch phenomena.

That would not have been an easy search, I would think. I've looked for it on a number of occasions, usually to show someone that I wasn't always a skeptic of Bigfoot, and given up. I end up going to the old thread I had about fence-sitting vs skepticism. That is actually quite groan-inducing for me to see, not because of my relative views on Bigfoot, or what I thought of the PGF, but because of the way I wrote. I remember when I first joined, I was typing with a bug-ridden Japanese laptop that couldn't properly type English script. Ugh, I was dropping textbergs. Not only that, I had that new poster smell all over me.

LTC, Ray, Correa, Huntster, tube... Beckjord (RIP) popping in and out. Those were the days. I remember UrsulaV had a lot to do with the way my views evolved back then. I was already skeptical of so much by the time I decloaked at the JREF, but I still had that emotional attachment or fondness for believing in Bigfoot that I was reluctant to let go of. Thanks for the trip down memory lane, WP.

 

[kitakaze]

The VR skeletonaccurately represents the 'body-width to height proportion' of Patty...

[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/PattySkelWidthHeight3.jpg[/qimg]

Really? Is that a fact? Interesting, because you said...

Sorry, kitty....but I'm just not interested in proving the VR skeleton's validity....

Did I miss where you proved the validity of the foo foo conceptual art or any aspect of it?

Simple yes or no question, Sweaty. Is the following blob scribble supposed to be proof that the shoulders of Vision Realm's goofy thing are supposed to match Patty?

If your answer is yes, could you please explain for us carefully how it proves anything about the foo foo art?

Your earlier statement....

...has been shown to be wrong.

Really? P7S doesn't fit Patty? I think you are mistaken. It has in every overlay I've seen. I've seen it fit in multiple still images from the PGF and then holy crap, in a full kickass animation. The shoulders won't fit? Why not instead of scribbling on Patty blobs in which she's at an angle and you can't even make out her head, you take the P7S from behind image, scale it as accurately as possible, and overlay it on the Patty from behind images that I put up for everyone to see? AFAIC, it looked to be an obvious fit when the two behind images were put together, as well.

Here you go...

Chop chop, get to it and spare the scribbles.

Now.....feel free to show your statement to be correct.

You can't.

Fact - P7S fits Patty. The animation mangler made proves it. The reason that you see the figure turn backwards but not overlayed on PGF footage is simple because the part in which you do see Patty's back are...

a) Just a glimpse and not even a few seconds.

b) From a different part of the film.

c) No greatly zoomed in footage such as there is for Patty's look back (which mangler did overlay) exists.

You need to examine the animation, Sweaty. You don't seem to comprehend what you are talking about. Also, humans have been overlayed upon Patty as seen from behind and have fit her fine.

Bonus comparison....with Patty,

...

It is physically impossible for Bob to move his elbow as far away from the middle of his body....his backbone....as Patty's elbow is...(approx. 23").....at the angle that his arm is at, away from his side.

Do you have some type of mental problem in which you can't follow simple instruction? You are not allowed to bypass a thread's moderated status by simply continuing the discussion in another thread. Talking about Bob Heironimus goes in the Bob Heironimus thread. Sweaty, do you need to be reported for continually violating JREF rules?

Now.....how was Bob able to achieve that demonstrated 23" length without even moving his arm out at a greater angle than it is in the image on the left?

Answer me that one, kitty-POO.

A question for me? Sure thing. That one I will answer in the thread it belongs in just as soon as you plop a yes or no under this question of mine you've been running from like a snow hare from a cougar...

Is P7S of normal human proportions? Is that skeleton used to fit Patty showing human bones in proportions that are normal for a human being? Yes or no followed by whatever explanation you care to offer.

 

[makaya325]

Why does Kitz use a blurry image and extract so much data out of it that it appears to be argument from rectum?

 

[Nonpareil]

Why does Kitz use a blurry image and extract so much data out of it that it appears to be argument from rectum?

Uh, have you ever looked at the photos that SY uses?

 

[kitakaze]

Uh, have you ever looked at the photos that SY uses?

The more appropriate question would be to ask if the person can provide a quote of the place where I was trying to extract data from a blurry image. I've been measuring a bunch of human skeletons, not scribbling on a blob figure you can't even see the head of or accurately discern the shoulders. That is information available to people who have the intelligence to read a post before responding to it.

 

[desertgal]

Why does Kitz use a blurry image and extract so much data out of it that it appears to be argument from rectum?

Are you ever going to stop humping Kitz's leg? He's not going to respond to you, dude. Ever. Could you spare us all your attempts to provoke him?

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

Óðinn:

I forgot to comment on how big and bulky human beings can get. Imagine putting someone like Eddie Carmel in a Bigfoot costume...

 

[SweatyYeti]

A question for me? Sure thing. That one I will answer in the thread it belongs in just as soon as you plop a yes or no under this question of mine you've been running from like a snow hare from a cougar...

Consider the question to be rhetorical, kitzo. I don't care whether you answer it, or not.
I don't care about anything that you have to say.....because, in the thousands and thousands of words that you've typed in these threads, you've had precious little of anything to say, that has had any meaning, relevant to the evidence.


If you've noticed, I...for the most part....have not been engaging in any question-and-answer dialogue with you for quite a while now.


The majority of my responses to your posts are simply dealing with 'clean-up' of your waste-dumps.


The bottom-line is.....I have NO interest in having any question-and-answer discussion of the evidence with you, kitty-POO.
It's kinda like 'ignore', without using the 'ignore button'.

 

[kitakaze]

Consider the question to be rhetorical, kitzo. I don't care whether you answer it, or not.
I don't care about anything that you have to say.....because, in the thousands and thousands of words that you've typed in these threads, you've had precious little of anything to say, that has had any meaning, relevant to the evidence.

Isn't it delicious how afraid Sweaty is to answer a simple yes or no question regarding whether or not the Poser 7 stock human skeleton has normal human proportions? I particularly love it because of the many times in the past that Sweaty has said skeptics run from him and refuse to answer simple yes/no questions. This is my favourite when I get such a perfect example of an intellectually dishonests person's hypocrisy.

Right, so your claim that Patty has inhuman proportions is fine and you have no interest in doing the simple task of overlaying P7S from behind onto Patty from behind in an easy display of the veracity of your claim that it can't fit. Well, that's nice. I do understand that in Sweaty World you think crayon scribbles and tie-die all-caps fits are effective communication. We can't expect you to choose any course that is not in line with your preconceived notions. That would display that terrible concept of open-mindedness that continues to elude you in your life.

The bottom-line is.....I have NO interest in having any question-and-answer discussion of the evidence with you, kitty-POO.
It's kinda like 'ignore', without using the 'ignore button'.

Oh, OK...

I have NEVER refused to answer a question....and I NEVER will.

Lies.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Not to worry......kitzo.....I'll be working with those Poser7 skeletons, and I'll show exactly where they........literally........come up short.


And, if you think that there is any skeleton on this planet that can refute what the comparison in post #2838 shows.....with numerical certainty......then you're dreaming, a LOSING dream.


I can say right now....with total confidence.......that NOBODY will EVER refute what the numbers in that comparison show.

Neither Bob, nor any other human being of 'average proportions'....could possibly be Patty, due to the location of her elbows.


And, with some further analysis of the numbers....we may be able to rule-out approximately 90-100% of humanity, as potential candidates.

 

[makaya325]

Are you ever going to stop humping Kitz's leg? He's not going to respond to you, dude. Ever. Could you spare us all your attempts to provoke him?

He is just wrong sometimes, and needs to admit to his cherry picking agenda. He is no more guilty of it than sweaty is.

 

[William Parcher]

25 feet of film, and Gimlin sees the white teeth. "We were crossing a creek when we spotted her" is a new twist as well.

 

[GT/CS]

Did anyone catch the radio broadcast of Gimlin talking about Davis' murder theory?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Larry-Battson

 

[LTC8K6]

Yep, yet another version, WP. And told close to the event as well. This is also before they should have seen the film.

 

[William Parcher]

Did anyone catch the radio broadcast of Gimlin talking about Davis' murder theory?

Yes. Of course it's uninteresting to hear the explanation for why there was no massacre. But otherwise, it is interesting for a skeptic to hear this radio show. Do you think Battson does enough ass-kissing of the two great ones? Of course he is a PGF-believer and it's the only way a show like this could ever exist. Gimlin retells the story of the Patty encounter and IMO always seems to be making it up as he goes. He inserts certain facts about the events, and a person could take notes of this interview to look for contradictions and irregularities.

It's charming to hear John Green give a big thumbs-up to Matt Moneymaker and the BFRO as being the best of the modern BF researchers... considering that they are unliked by a certain percentage of Bigfooters. I guess Green has no use for claims of shenannigans during BFRO expeditions.