Libertarian 9/11 truth leader Jim Duensing shot in the back by cops

[TheBigKahuna]

Indeed,passing across the chest and hitting the left arm is a very unusual trajectory for the bullet to take considering he was "shot in the back".


Must be one of those new fangled bullets that can make right angle turns

No, it was from the same company that supplied the CIA with the 'magic' bullet that shot Kennedy.

 

[Pantaz]

Pretty good chance that the police car has a video camera...

 

[Lupie]

In most states if you have a CCW it comes up when the officer runs your plate (before he/she comes to your door). It's asking for problems to try to hide it. It's a well known fact you keep your hands in plain sight.

I was a CCW/Firearms instructor, and although many states do not have a legal requirement to inform a Police Officer of the fact that you have a CCW and a weapon during a traffic stop, it should have been one of the first things this supposed firearms instructor did upon being stopped. The last thing an officer wants during a traffic stop, is a surprise.

Of course, I am assuming that the suspect in question had a valid CCW and was an instructor who was certified by the state to administer CCW instruction, or at least had some form of endorsement from a sanctioning body that he was indeed qualified as an instructor for non-CCW courses, rather than just some guy who thinks he knows guns, tries to teach, and gets off on the "instructor" title.

It's all a moot point now though, as it looks like this idiot is facing some serious charges. Reaching for a weapon while fleeing an arresting officer is a very good way to lose not only your freedom, but your life. This moron is lucky to be alive.

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[defaultdotxbe]

Unless he was rendered impotent in the attack he doesn't meet the Darwin Award criteria.

hence honorable mention instead of the award itself

I was a CCW/Firearms instructor, and although many states do not have a legal requirement to inform a Police Officer of the fact that you have a CCW and a weapon during a traffic stop, it should have been one of the first things this supposed firearms instructor did upon being stopped. The last thing an officer wants during a traffic stop, is a surprise.

the only times ive been asked to get out of my car at a traffic stop as i was standing up the officer asked me if i was carrying any knives, guns or other weapons, other people i know have had the same experience, so even if he wasnt required to declare the weapon, im sure the officer asked him if he had anything when he had him get out of his car

 

[Drudgewire]

hence honorable mention instead of the award itself

Aahh, gotcha.

 

[Dr Adequate]

As far as I read, there was no confirmation that he WAS actually carrying a gun..unless I missed something...so let's not jump to conclusions.

You missed something. He says so himself in his own account of the incident:

He found my licensed and registered pistol in my right cargo pants pocket and my Emerson folding knife in my right front pocket.​

 

[Lupie]

hence honorable mention instead of the award itself


the only times ive been asked to get out of my car at a traffic stop as i was standing up the officer asked me if i was carrying any knives, guns or other weapons, other people i know have had the same experience, so even if he wasnt required to declare the weapon, im sure the officer asked him if he had anything when he had him get out of his car

Although it's not SOP with every department in every state, overall, that is basically what is asked of a person who is told to exit their vehicle during a traffic stop. Much of it is up to the officers discretion, but for the most part they would rather err on the side of caution for obvious reasons.

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[Drudgewire]

You missed something. He says so himself in his own account of the incident:

He found my licensed and registered pistol in my right cargo pants pocket and my Emerson folding knife in my right front pocket.​

He should coordinate better. I almost always have a Smith and Wesson pistol in one pocket and one of their auto knives in the other.

 

[Macgyver1968]

You missed something. He says so himself in his own account of the incident:

He found my licensed and registered pistol in my right cargo pants pocket and my Emerson folding knife in my right front pocket.​

Thank you for correcting me.

Darwin award winner. This guy's a lawyer..right? If anyone would know what he faced with a misdemeanor warrant..it should be him. It couldn't be more than a couple hundred bucks..and a few hours in jail. (speaking from experience ) ..and he reaches for a weapon? who does that? ...oh yeah...

 

[triforcharity]

You prove it, you have the burden of proof.



He was licensed to carry the concealed weapon.



Traffic laws violate the natural rights granted to all of us under the Declaration of Independence.

WTF??

Ok, so when the guy was pulled over, he comitted TWO felonies, and you're DEFENDING his rights to BREAK THE LAW?? WTF??

 

[triforcharity]

Duensing makes a statement here (post #73): http://tinyurl.com/duensing



Something doesn't sound right.

Why would a cop taser a guy whose hands are up?

I highly doubt he did. I bet his Video Camera that is mounted on his dash will tell a different story.

 

[triforcharity]

I couldn't help chuckling a bit at this part of Duensing's statement:



[ctmode]The magic bullet![/ctmode]

No way possible to do that if he was shot it the back. Not even close.

So, it seems as if Galileo might have exagerated a bit eh?? And also tell me he most likely was shot at an angle, with his right side facing the officers weapon. Certainly he wasn't complying with the police officer's orders.

I have NO sympathy for this D-Bag. None whatsoever.

 

[Lupie]

WTF??

Ok, so when the guy was pulled over, he comitted TWO felonies, and you're DEFENDING his rights to BREAK THE LAW?? WTF??

WTF Indeed,

I guarantee you that if the suspect in this case was a "debunker", the troofers would be going nuts right now calling for his lynching or demanding he be sent to the gallows. This is like another discussion here where one of our resident troofers was trying to defend other members of the "movement" who were sending various people death threats.

I swear if some troofer ends up being a serial killer, they'll defend the person to the last, hypocritical losers that they are. Of course, if a "debunker" actually drew a weapon while fleeing from an arresting officer, I highly doubt you would see any non-troofer JREF members coming to their defense. You would see condemnation, as it should be for someone who commits such a crime.

It's funny how members of the "movement" get a free pass on just about anything from their peers as long as they tow the party line.

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[Thunder]

I swear if some troofer ends up being a serial killer, they'll defend the person to the last, hypocritical losers that they are.

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no. they will say he was under some new NWO mind-control SSRI.

 

[Athyrio]

......I know Jim and can serve as a character witness as well.

I was just saying to myself this morning that the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories forum hadn't had any funny threads lately and I come back tonight to find this.

Thank you, Galileo. From time to time I need to remember there are guys out there like you that by comparison make me feel so unquestionably sane.

Please, please, please - volunteer to be his character witness. Don't bring me down from this high.

 

[triforcharity]

If our dead Italian friend did speak as a charchter witness, It would end up like this failure.

 

[Lupie]

No way possible to do that if he was shot it the back. Not even close.

So, it seems as if Galileo might have exagerated a bit eh?? And also tell me he most likely was shot at an angle, with his right side facing the officers weapon. Certainly he wasn't complying with the police officer's orders.

I have NO sympathy for this D-Bag. None whatsoever.

There is no data available that I am aware of that shows that the most common police service weapon (handgun) calibers and various bullet designs that they use, are capable of any such "magic" wound. I smell BS. I would be very interested in seeing the report on the gunshot wounds and their entry and possible exit points.

I would wager that they are not all "in the back". But even if they were, what Gallileo does not understand, is that a gunshot entry wound in "the back" by itself does not prove negligence or malicious intent on the part of the officer. Firefights happen quickly, and a fleeing suspect reaching for, or actually brandishing a firearm, can make all sorts of moves in a very short timespan. The point is, the suspect is armed, the officer believes his life, or the lives of others are in danger, and the perpetrator gets shot at and hopefully stopped. Whether they take a bullet full front center mass, or if they take the bullet in the back while armed and running for cover does not matter. The perpetrator is now a danger to the officer, and the community at large, and use of deadly force is appropriate, and well within departmental policy.

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[Sword_Of_Truth]

http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2009/11/libertarian-911-truth-leader-jim.html

Use of a known holocaust denying anti-semitic wife-beater who routinely calls for the killing of his critics noted.

Thanks for letting us know what kind of person you consider a credible source, Galileo.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

There is no data available that shows that the most common police service weapon (handgun) calibers and various bullet designs that they use, are capable of any such "magic" wound. I smell BS. I would be very interested in seeing the report on the gunshot wounds and their entry and possible exit points.

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dont even need the doctors report, we have Duensing's own words

The doctors believe that two of the shots made contact. It appears that one entered my right pec, bounced off my sternum, went through my left pec, then shattered my humerous just above my left elbow. The second shot went in my lower right abdomen and exited my left abdomen without hitting any vital organs.

http://www.independentpoliticalrepo...lice-is-in-critical-condition/#comment-124357

he also says:

I was running down the sidewalk with empty hands. I heard three pops from behind me.

and

The shooter was on my right side and from his perspective had to have been able to see that my right hand was indeed empty.

so the shooter was on his right side, but the shots came from behind him? and if he was running away from the office how was the officer to his right?

 

[Lupie]

dont even need the doctors report, we have Duensing's own words


http://www.independentpoliticalrepo...lice-is-in-critical-condition/#comment-124357

he also says:

and


so the shooter was on his right side, but the shots came from behind him? and if he was running away from the office how was the officer to his right?

Well, that pretty much answers the question of entry/exit wounds. I wonder how Gallileo is going to explain away his bogus thread title containing the statement "shot in the back by cops". The suspect himself says he wasn't shot in the back, and of course, one solitary police officer certainly does not seem consistent with the plural "cops".

In other words, it's not one noble troof seeker being gunned down and shot in the back by legions of oppressive cops, but instead, it's one fleeing criminal with an arrest warrant who is shot in the side by a single police officer in self defense after said suspect reached for a weapon.


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