Astro Teacher - astrology test

[AvalonXQ]

Thanks for asking Professor. I know. If a birth time is known, then add it, if not, just the date of birth will do, and the geographic location. Also include your current geographic location if different than the location of birth. People often move away from where they were born and live in different cities. That changes the angles in their charts across time zones.

If someone has moved around a lot (as most people that I know have), do you need a timeline with dates and locations? Will that screw up the chart otherwise?

Do not ask me when you will die. I don't do those morbid requests. Never did. Never will.

I thought we were dealing only with past events. Since I assume none of us agreeing to participate are dead, I don't expect this will be a problem.

 

[Astro Teacher]

If someone has moved around a lot (as most people that I know have), do you need a timeline with dates and locations? Will that screw up the chart otherwise?


I thought we were dealing only with past events. Since I assume none of us agreeing to participate are dead, I don't expect this will be a problem.

Astrology does not deal only with past events, but present ones, and future ones. Thinking only in terms of the past is quite limited. Most people use about 10-percent or less of their total brain function. Let's try to utilize the remaining 90% shall we?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Cool!

So this test has been reduced to:

1. Provide location of birth.
2. Provide current location.

Then Astro will tell me my birth date.

I'm on. But I'll PM my brother's. Is that OK?

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[Hokulele]

Astro Teacher, would you be willing to test whether or not you can recognize falsified birth data?

 

[Professor Yaffle]

From another thread - I thought it was another good idea that would be easy to test:

There surely can't be a lack of examples of already-dead, non-famous people from all over the world whose time and place of birth and time of death are recorded. If true astrology can predict the moment of death from the place and moment of birth, then that would provide an easy test for the million dollar challenge:

• A selection of dead people's histories is presented to one true astrologer who uses their astrological skills to reject any whose information appears to have been wrongly recorded.
• A list of times and places of birth thus verified is drawn up.
• The list is presented to a different true astrologer, who calculates each person's time of death.

Match the dates for an easy peasy $1,000,000 win. Right?

 

[Professor Yaffle]

And another idea:

I have a question.

I read your description of having caught a thief in the other thread- you could tell what this person was up to from their chart, and how they related to the client.

Now, if you can figure out how two people are interrelated (by theft, in this case) from their birth data, would you be able to tell me, given my birth information and that of three of the women I dated, which one married me? I could also give you the birth place and time of my children if that helps.

Possibly. I've done it before.

Well, I'll have to leave it for someone else, since I've mentioned my wife's birthplace on this forum before.

But if I could get real birthdates and places from a friend (or an anonymous member of this forum via PM), shall we try?

Or, a slightly different test-

I could provide the dates and birthplace of my mother and her siblings.
I could provide the dates and bithplace of my father and his siblings.

Given my birthdate and place, could you pick out which were my parents?

 

[Hokulele]

I PM'd Astro Teacher with an invitation to stop by and examine some of the suggestions for tests and protocols. Thanks Professor Yaffle for collating various claims and suggestions here.

Astro Teacher, would you be willing to test whether or not falsified birth data can be detected? It does seem to be the most straightforward in terms of data required from the participants, and determining whether or not a meaningful result has been obtained. If you need to interview the various participants, that can be done here so we can see your questions as well as their responses in order to confirm and verify the information exchanged.

 

[Madalch]

Just for the record, "Hop-Frog" was my user name just for Hallowe'en. It was my idea of a Hallowe'en costume.

 

[Hokulele]

I did receive a PM from Astro Teacher stating that he has been busy with work. Here is a bump in case he would like to review the last few suggestions regarding testing protocols.

 

[Astro Teacher]

Astro Teacher, would you be willing to test whether or not you can recognize falsified birth data?

This would not be a test of whether astrology is accurate or not in forecasting. It would only be a test of if I can sift through false data and identify it, which really is a waste of my time considering how busy I am.

I'd rather read the transits of real people from real data if you don't mind.

 

[Madalch]

This would not be a test of whether astrology is accurate or not in forecasting. It would only be a test of if I can sift through false data and identify it, which really is a waste of my time considering how busy I am.

I'd rather read the transits of real people from real data if you don't mind.

I'm making an offer of real data. Interested?

 

[Hokulele]

I'd rather read the transits of real people from real data if you don't mind.

All righty then, would you please read post 13 and give me your feedback on this protocol draft.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

This would not be a test of whether astrology is accurate or not in forecasting. It would only be a test of if I can sift through false data and identify it, which really is a waste of my time considering how busy I am.

I'd rather read the transits of real people from real data if you don't mind.

OK. I'll make it real easy for you. My birthdate is July 20, 1942. Am I lying or not?

 

[Madalch]

This would not be a test of whether astrology is accurate or not in forecasting. It would only be a test of if I can sift through false data and identify it, which really is a waste of my time considering how busy I am.

I'd rather read the transits of real people from real data if you don't mind.

It wouldn't be a test of whether you can sift through false data- surely each birthdate that's given would apply to some real person. Surely very few of these people would end up in the same situation.

At any rate, please comment on my "parents' siblings" idea. They are real people with real lives, and I'd like to see if you can determine anything about them.

 

[Third Eye Open]

This test will never happen.

 

[Bronwyn Elko]

Just a thought:

Drawing data from a volunteer's mother and her siblings and/or father and his siblings will taint the test, i.e., make it unfairly difficult to discern the true identity of the mother and/or father. Siblings and their children share the same gene pool: Mom and Pop's sisters and brothers may very well share similar astro-points. Many families share the same signs and points like the Sun, Moon, ASC, Moon's nodes, etc., and planetary "complexes", i.e., clusters of aspects like T-squares, kites, trines and so on, handing down these 'signatures' through generations. These and other astro-connections are used to identify mother/child and father/child bonds.

For example: I have Taurus on the MC (the midheaven, the angle of the chart most often associated with the mother; the IC/MC is considered a 'parental axis'). In any case, the point is that my MC (mother-angle) is in Taurus and my mother had the Moon in Taurus. But, my maternal aunt was also a Sun sign Taurus. So, in my opinion, it would be easy for AT to mistake a maternal sibling for the volunteer's mother.

I would suggest using four birth data/charts drawn from four different months of the year. One data/chart is actually the volunteer's mother. Three others you could make up -- but these made up charts should not be drawn from the same astro-birth month (by astro-month I mean when the suns enters and leaves a particular sign) as the volunteer's mother. Same with the father. As well, the false charts should have birth times different than the parents' birth times. At least three hours difference. That's what I'd want.

 

[Foster Zygote]

This would not be a test of whether astrology is accurate or not in forecasting. It would only be a test of if I can sift through false data and identify it, which really is a waste of my time considering how busy I am.

I'd rather read the transits of real people from real data if you don't mind.

How would providing evidence that astrology can be employed to accurately discern anything be a waste of your time?

 

[Garrette]

Just a thought:

Drawing data from a volunteer's mother and her siblings and/or father and his siblings will taint the test, i.e., make it unfairly difficult to discern the true identity of the mother and/or father. Siblings and their children share the same gene pool: Mom and Pop's sisters and brothers may very well share similar astro-points. Many families share the same signs and points like the Sun, Moon, ASC, Moon's nodes, etc., and planetary "complexes", i.e., clusters of aspects like T-squares, kites, trines and so on, handing down these 'signatures' through generations. These and other astro-connections are used to identify mother/child and father/child bonds.

For example: I have Taurus on the MC (the midheaven, the angle of the chart most often associated with the mother; the IC/MC is considered a 'parental axis'). In any case, the point is that my MC (mother-angle) is in Taurus and my mother had the Moon in Taurus. But, my maternal aunt was also a Sun sign Taurus. So, in my opinion, it would be easy for AT to mistake a maternal sibling for the volunteer's mother.

So an astrologer cannot foretell death, and the reason is that DNA is too similar?

Even if one sibling were to die from a childhood illness, another were to die in Hurricane Katrina as middle-aged adult, and another were to die peacefully in his sleep in his 90s?

 

[Modified]

This would not be a test of whether astrology is accurate or not in forecasting. It would only be a test of if I can sift through false data and identify it, which really is a waste of my time considering how busy I am.

I'd rather read the transits of real people from real data if you don't mind.

I think you are missing the point. It would be real data from real people, only the birth dates would be changed.

 

[SumDood]

This would not be a test of whether astrology is accurate or not in forecasting. It would only be a test of if I can sift through false data and identify it, which really is a waste of my time considering how busy I am.

I'd rather read the transits of real people from real data if you don't mind.

It would not provide any evidence of the accuracy of forecasting, but it would provide evidence of your supernatural claims, which would be enough for me and probably most people here. But, alas, you're too busy. Surprise, surprise, surprise. You are called out on a specific claim, and you decline to demonstrate your abilities.

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Just a thought:

Drawing data from a volunteer's mother and her siblings and/or father and his siblings will taint the test, i.e., make it unfairly difficult to discern the true identity of the mother and/or father. Siblings and their children share the same gene pool: Mom and Pop's sisters and brothers may very well share similar astro-points. Many families share the same signs and points like the Sun, Moon, ASC, Moon's nodes, etc., and planetary "complexes", i.e., clusters of aspects like T-squares, kites, trines and so on, handing down these 'signatures' through generations. These and other astro-connections are used to identify mother/child and father/child bonds.

For example: I have Taurus on the MC (the midheaven, the angle of the chart most often associated with the mother; the IC/MC is considered a 'parental axis'). In any case, the point is that my MC (mother-angle) is in Taurus and my mother had the Moon in Taurus. But, my maternal aunt was also a Sun sign Taurus. So, in my opinion, it would be easy for AT to mistake a maternal sibling for the volunteer's mother.

I would suggest using four birth data/charts drawn from four different months of the year. One data/chart is actually the volunteer's mother. Three others you could make up -- but these made up charts should not be drawn from the same astro-birth month (by astro-month I mean when the suns enters and leaves a particular sign) as the volunteer's mother. Same with the father. As well, the false charts should have birth times different than the parents' birth times. At least three hours difference. That's what I'd want.

Sorry for the possible derail, but would you be willing to put this to a test, Bronwyn Elko? If we provide birtdates and other info for a group of people, would you be able to determine which ones are related and what that relationship is?