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Why do (some) astrologers ask for the exact time of birth?

I'd settle for Astro Teachers explanation of ' magnetic resonance ' period .

I'll be surprised if the word ' quantum ' is not used ..

There is a lot of ignorance and superstition among skeptics - especially when it comes to Astrology in its serious form. Most, if not all of the skeptics I encounter do not even know some of the most basic astronomical terms, and cannot even read an astronomical calendar much less come to any understanding of advanced astrology.

If you are unaware of the kinetic and magnetic nature of space, and of the earth, you would be better off spending more time reading up on it rather than going on espousing such weak understanding of the topic of Astrology that you have not shown the slightest knowledge of in the least to be able to as so much even question its principles without first studying them to the point of being able to form cogent arguments, either for, or against Astrology.

Open some serious books, read, think, learn, and study. Then, when you've done enough reading, debate the topic like a grownup.
 
A non-nonsensical comment. Much depends on the astrologers, if they are professional, and know what they are doing.
We're still waiting for a professional one to prove they have any powers at all. Just one. Step right up and collect your million dollars. Then you can call yourself professional. Until that happens, all we have is boasting, wishful thinking and hot air.
As for being "scientific" that is a matter of perspective. You cannot find two scientists who will give you a consensus on the same explaination on what constitutes "science."
I doubt if many scientists would have a serious disagreement with this.
 
We're still waiting for a professional one to prove they have any powers at all. Just one. Step right up and collect your million dollars. Then you can call yourself professional. Until that happens, all we have is boasting, wishful thinking and hot air.I doubt if many scientists would have a serious disagreement with this.

I wouldn't presume to "prove" anything to you. I am quite aware of my own powers and use them according to the principles of Applied Astrology. However, from the content of your posts, I seriously doubt if you've read one serious astrological text, much less a basic student book considering the shallowness of your own comments on this subject.

You are outclassed in debating a master astrologer on this topic, and should know better about being out of your league.
 
That they do not understand what being a true "skeptic" really is.
That is NOT a superstition

Please...

Either:
state - in support of astrology - something/anything that is testable, repeatable, and verifiable​
Or:
stop wasting bandwidth​
 
That is NOT a superstition

Please...

Either:
state - in support of astrology - something/anything that is testable, repeatable, and verifiable​
Or:
stop wasting bandwidth​

It exists all around you in Time itself. If you want to really know something about "bandwidth" - you ought to learn to read an astronomical ephemeris. Everything you need to know is right there.
 
I wouldn't presume to "prove" anything to you. I am quite aware of my own powers and use them according to the principles of Applied Astrology. However, from the content of your posts, I seriously doubt if you've read one serious astrological text
Please, Astro Teacher, stop making this personal

If you have evidence that astrology has ANY justifiable claims to credibility, then present it

Otherwise, please acknowledge that - to those of us who doubt - your "powers" are nothing more than delusions
 
It exists all around you in Time itself. If you want to really know something about "bandwidth" - you ought to learn to read an astronomical ephemeris. Everything you need to know is right there.
You are being asked exceedingly simple, straightforward questions posed in a polite and sincere manner

In repsonse, you are posting 'word salad' - meaningless, trite, inane waffle that has no relevance whatsoever.

This suggests to me that you are talking out of your arse

Please, prove me wrong by replying with something/anything that is coherent, concise, specific and informative
 
It exists all around you in Time itself. If you want to really know something about "bandwidth" - you ought to learn to read an astronomical ephemeris. Everything you need to know is right there.
You overlooked the bit that would have actually added something of value to this discussion

Please...

state - in support of astrology - something/anything that is testable, repeatable, and verifiable
 
Just thinking this through - if precise time & geographical location is important to understand the geometry of the relevant astronomic bodies to the newborn, does the orientation of the newborn relative to the heavens matter?
 
I wouldn't presume to "prove" anything to you. I am quite aware of my own powers and use them according to the principles of Applied Astrology.
I am quite aware of my powers, too. Does that make me an expert on whatever I declare to be my subject?

If I go to my doctor's office, I can see on his wall the diploma from the school he attended and the license to practice medicine. That's what makes him a professional.

If I go to my lawyer's office, I can see, in plain view, his diploma and bar certificate that says he is a professional.

I am not aware of any US state that allows either doctors or lawyers to declare that, because they have read some books, they are qualified professional practitioners.

So what are your qualifications? If you pass the MDC, I will accept that, since it is merely asking you to do what you do every day, just under observing conditions that preclude self-delusion and fraud. Surely you aren't self-deluded or a fraud, are you? Why can't you do that? My doctor could. My lawyer could.

If you can't provide such, why should we believe you? There are ranting, raving nutbags out there making the same claims you do. You aren't one of those, are you? So how can we tell the difference?
However, from the content of your posts, I seriously doubt if you've read one serious astrological text, much less a basic student book considering the shallowness of your own comments on this subject.
I would be glad to read any astrological text that was rooted in the scientific method, and had valid proof of any and all assertions. You know...like most peer-reviewed articles in reputable journals. Fantasy tales, speculation and wishful thinking? Not of interest.

If the subject is bunk, ten books about it don't make it any less bunk than one book does. Reading nonsense doesn't make it true, although I have been subjected to some headaches as a result.
You are outclassed in debating a master astrologer on this topic, and should know better about being out of your league.
So you are now a "master" astrologer? Is that different from being a "professional"?

If I go to my doctor's office, I can see on his wall the diploma...(etc., etc.).
 
Time of birth is not always needed to erect a horoscope for a native, though it is helpful to narrow down the placements of celestial bodies relative to the geographical location of the birth. Much depends on the astrologer's own knowledge and expertise,

If it's the planets that determine the horoscope, what does it matter who's doing the calculations? Unless you mean that they're just getting it wrong.

and in these times, you are bound to find far more charlatans and wannabees in astrology who are not experienced and lack the relevant knowledge require to read any horoscope,

So far, I've seen no evidence to support the contention that there are non-charlatan astrologers.

much less that of a person.

There are horoscopes for animals?

Ancient astrologers used a method that used sunrise as the point of reference for the day of birth; however, times were used centuries ago for those who could read sundials and noted the time of day of birth, which then placed the relevant celestial bodies in their respective houses, or placements at the time of birth.

...and these people were able to see the stars at sunrise? Not only that, but see them accurately enough to mark them down on charts that they somehow had the expertise to make with an absolutely 100% accurate hand?

A non-nonsensical comment.[/quot]

:confused:

It is not so much "accuracy" as it is proficiency. I teach my students

So you practice astrology. Therefore you have confirmation bias.

never to give out "personality" readings as I find them bogus.

IRONY

Birth time can show the positions of celestial bodies relative to geographic location, and the effects are real, this can be seen in astrological weather forecasting for instance as meteorology was invented by astrologers, as was medicine as well.

Bull.

I tend to be very tough on students to perform in the area of actual forecasting, for it is here that physical events can be noted, and measured. What most skeptics forget, and many do not know, is that there is a long history of analog data from astronomical observations that are used in forecasting.

Do you have this data available?

However, whether one wants to "believe" in it or not is personal, and has very little to do with Astrology, as it is applied by serious practitioners of the art and science.

Belief has nothing to do with objective truth.

There are a lot of game players in both the astrological and non-astrological sectors - and both are jokes in my perspective. They mean nothing simply because they are surface feeders who pass off their own personal "beliefs" and ignorance as facts when nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to the real story of Applied Astrology.

Okay, so what is the difference between Applied Astrology (with Capitals!) and regular astrology? What do you do differently?

For instance, in weather forecasting, which was the first use of applied astrology, you will find that celestial configurations throughout different geographic regions lead to various kinds of climate and weather. This has been seen for many centuries, and there is proven data to show the accuracy of astrological weather forecasting, mainly long-term climate and weather forecasting.

Bull.

There is a very serious history here, for Astrology gave birth to many of the sciences many now take for granted.

Bull.

It's like trying to prove the existence of "love" and then to measure it. Now, we all know that love does, in fact, exist, and that we cannot see it, yes?

How to prove that love really exists? Is that a waste of time or what? Of course it is.

Yes, love exists. It has been proven to exist. It, like other emotions, are chemical states in the brain. Therefore, this is a false analogy, and your argument about metaphysics falls apart when confronted with Russell's Teapot. Alternately, if you believe in the Teapot, it just plays hell with your astrological readings.

The Sun, Moon, and planets and stars do not require your "belief" for them to operate in our world, which they do electromagnetically. Distance is not an issue for those who know something about this, it is all in angles, movement, and the strengths and weaknesses in magnetic resonance.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No.

Fem = k * (q1 * q2) / r2
Where Fem is the electromagnetic force, k is a constant called the Electromagnetic Force Constant, q1 and q2 are the electric charges of the two objects involved and r is the distance between the two objects.
Distance matters.

Regarding magnetism. My assessment is correct. All of space, and every inch of our planet is filled with magnetic lines of influence and strength.

Yes, but these "lines" weaken in strength with distance from their source.

Distance is not a factor in astrological forecasting - mathematics is, and by angles of force, we make our forecasts. I under the phenomena of magnetic resonance very, very well as I have been applying it professionally as an astrologer.

Angles, by themselves, do nothing. They just show the direction of forces, and therefore, there must be forces acting between the stars and the person in question for astrology to have any merit. As the formula I gave above shows, they don't, and so your theory of astrological power is bunk.

There are plenty:

Medicine
Meteorology
Mathematics
Astronomy
Biology

Among others.

Yor're welcome.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Astronomy and Meteorology, maybe, but not the others.

There is a lot of ignorance and superstition among skeptics

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

especially when it comes to Astrology in its serious form. Most, if not all of the skeptics I encounter do not even know some of the most basic astronomical terms, and cannot even read an astronomical calendar much less come to any understanding of advanced astrology.

First of all, why would you expect them to be able to? Second of all, what does it matter?

Open some serious books, read, think, learn, and study. Then, when you've done enough reading, debate the topic like a grownup.

That they do not understand what being a true "skeptic" really is.

And you do? :rolleyes

I wouldn't presume to "prove" anything to you. I am quite aware of my own powers

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold it. My woo detector is going off.

What powers?

and use them according to the principles of Applied Astrology. However, from the content of your posts, I seriously doubt if you've read one serious astrological text, much less a basic student book considering the shallowness of your own comments on this subject.

You are outclassed in debating a master astrologer on this topic, and should know better about being out of your league.

If you knew anything about electromagnetics, you would realize how outclassed you are in attempting to show that the electric fields of stars can affect our lives here on Earth (Sol aside, of course). Go read some science textbooks.
 
You are being asked exceedingly simple, straightforward questions posed in a polite and sincere manner

In repsonse, you are posting 'word salad' - meaningless, trite, inane waffle that has no relevance whatsoever.

This suggests to me that you are talking out of your arse

Please, prove me wrong by replying with something/anything that is coherent, concise, specific and informative

When you get real and dispense with the irritating rude comments perhaps then you will receive the appropriate attention you seek. You can be a skeptic and also show some class and courtesy. Try that.
 
If it's the planets that determine the horoscope, what does it matter who's doing the calculations? Unless you mean that they're just getting it wrong.



So far, I've seen no evidence to support the contention that there are non-charlatan astrologers.



There are horoscopes for animals?



...and these people were able to see the stars at sunrise? Not only that, but see them accurately enough to mark them down on charts that they somehow had the expertise to make with an absolutely 100% accurate hand?

A non-nonsensical comment.

:confused:



So you practice astrology. Therefore you have confirmation bias.



IRONY

Birth time can show the positions of celestial bodies relative to geographic location, and the effects are real, this can be seen in astrological weather forecasting for instance as meteorology was invented by astrologers, as was medicine as well.

Bull.



Do you have this data available?



Belief has nothing to do with objective truth.



Okay, so what is the difference between Applied Astrology (with Capitals!) and regular astrology? What do you do differently?



Bull.



Bull.



Yes, love exists. It has been proven to exist. It, like other emotions, are chemical states in the brain. Therefore, this is a false analogy, and your argument about metaphysics falls apart when confronted with Russell's Teapot. Alternately, if you believe in the Teapot, it just plays hell with your astrological readings.



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No.

Fem = k * (q1 * q2) / r2
Where Fem is the electromagnetic force, k is a constant called the Electromagnetic Force Constant, q1 and q2 are the electric charges of the two objects involved and r is the distance between the two objects.
Distance matters.



Yes, but these "lines" weaken in strength with distance from their source.



Angles, by themselves, do nothing. They just show the direction of forces, and therefore, there must be forces acting between the stars and the person in question for astrology to have any merit. As the formula I gave above shows, they don't, and so your theory of astrological power is bunk.



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Astronomy and Meteorology, maybe, but not the others.



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



First of all, why would you expect them to be able to? Second of all, what does it matter?





And you do? :rolleyes



Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold it. My woo detector is going off.

What powers?



If you knew anything about electromagnetics, you would realize how outclassed you are in attempting to show that the electric fields of stars can affect our lives here on Earth (Sol aside, of course). Go read some science textbooks.

Obviously, you have not a clue as to what you are talking about. Let's leave your third-grade remarks for what they are, shall we?

Be civil and polite.
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I am quite aware of my powers, too. Does that make me an expert on whatever I declare to be my subject?

If I go to my doctor's office, I can see on his wall the diploma from the school he attended and the license to practice medicine. That's what makes him a professional.

If I go to my lawyer's office, I can see, in plain view, his diploma and bar certificate that says he is a professional.

I am not aware of any US state that allows either doctors or lawyers to declare that, because they have read some books, they are qualified professional practitioners.

So what are your qualifications? If you pass the MDC, I will accept that, since it is merely asking you to do what you do every day, just under observing conditions that preclude self-delusion and fraud. Surely you aren't self-deluded or a fraud, are you? Why can't you do that? My doctor could. My lawyer could.

If you can't provide such, why should we believe you? There are ranting, raving nutbags out there making the same claims you do. You aren't one of those, are you? So how can we tell the difference?
I would be glad to read any astrological text that was rooted in the scientific method, and had valid proof of any and all assertions. You know...like most peer-reviewed articles in reputable journals. Fantasy tales, speculation and wishful thinking? Not of interest.

If the subject is bunk, ten books about it don't make it any less bunk than one book does. Reading nonsense doesn't make it true, although I have been subjected to some headaches as a result.So you are now a "master" astrologer? Is that different from being a "professional"?

If I go to my doctor's office, I can see on his wall the diploma...(etc., etc.).

You mention "ten books" - can you cite one serious astrological text that you have read without sounding stupid?

Again, be civil.
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