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Mormon Eschatology, does anyone understand this?

Ethnikos

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Here is part of an article from a Mormon publication that I found on the internet. I am wondering is there is anyone on this forum who understands any of it. Specifically, what I am interested in is what the roles of the angels are, and how are they involved with end time events. What is the relationship of angelic trumpet blasts with Judgments, and when exactly does Jesus return to the earth?
http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/John said:
The seventh seal opens in chapter 8. But the prediction of Christ's return does not occur until chapter 19. Thus, a major portion of the book focuses on the time just prior to Jesus' second coming (cf. D&C 77:13). Peter declared that Christ would not come again "until the times of restitution of all things" (Acts 3:21). It is central to this latter-day restitution that angelic ministers (Moroni 2, John the Baptist, Peter, James, John, Moses, etc.) brought back not only the fulness of the everlasting gospel and its keys and ordinances but also the "sealing power," which is the power to bind things on earth and have them be binding in heaven (Matt. 16:19; see Sealing). The restoration of the gospel and the power of sealing are important conditions for Christ's coming. During this period three characteristics will prevail: judgments, the kingdom of Christ versus the kingdoms of the world, and the destruction of latter-day Babylon.
As trumpets sound and "vials" of destruction are poured out, one devastating scourge follows another, including vast pollutions, rampant wickedness, and the battle of Armageddon (Rev. 8-11, 16). In the midst of these judgments allowed by God, a voice declares that "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ" (Rev. 11:15). Chapter 12 portrays the Church of Christ and the kingdom of God (JST Rev. 12:7; McConkie, 1973, Vol. 3, p. 516). In chapter 13, Satan's kingdoms oppose the Saints and the work of God. Chapter 14 then shows the triumph of Christ's kingdom and what leads to that victory. Christ comes to Mount Zion with his servants (14:1-5), and an angel, having the everlasting gospel to preach to the earth, flies through the heavens (14:6-7). (Verse 6 provides the inspiration for the well-known angel Moroni statue placed atop some LDS temples.) Then the fall of Babylon is announced (14:8-11). Like the angel from the east (Rev. 7:2), this angel is interpreted to represent the work of the restoration (McConkie, 1973, Vol. 3, p. 530). It is this work, directed by Christ and his servants, which brings about the eventual destruction of all worldly kingdoms. The fall of Babylon (Rev. 16-18) is so dramatic that all the hosts of heaven spontaneously shout, "Alleluia" (Rev. 19:1-6).

After Christ's coming (Rev. 19:7-21), the vision concludes in quick succession with the Millennium (Rev. 20:1-6), the loosing of Satan for a "little season" (Rev. 20:7-10; D&C 88:111-115), the great Judgment (Rev. 20:11-15), and the celestialization of the earth (Rev. 21:22-5). Thus, the Revelation of John shows that in spite of all of Satan's efforts to the contrary, God's work will triumph and Christ will come again to reign with his Saints for a thousand years during the Millennium and throughout eternity.
My underlining and highlighting and bolding.
 
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http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/John,_Revelations_of
Sorry about that. I was adding the link while you were posting, probably.
I put up most of the article, anyway.
I was questioning these missionaries who had been coming over and talking with the other people living at my house. When I started asking them too specific of questions, one said, "I will have to consult with my supervisor and get back with you on that."
Instead of ever coming back, one day I saw them down the street and they were looking at the house and then walked away. So I never got my answer.
 
Makes you wonder if the 'LDS' moniker was given them by a dyslexic.
 
Alright, in the middle of the article, there are two things going on, apparently simultaneously. One thing is Christ on Zion. The other thing, an angel in the air proclaiming the Gospel.
A possible question, looking at this is; could Jesus be on earth at this present time? Another question might be, does the angel flying in the air have a trumpet? If so, is there two types of trumpets? One to announce judgements, and another to announce the Gospel?
Does it really make a difference what type of trumpet it is because either one would be announcing indirectly the coming of Christ into Zion? And am I to see Zion as being a literal physical place on earth?
 
There is no such thing as angels. All fiction. Someone lied to you. But hey, it's not the end of the world.:D
 
Considering that different evangelical Christians can read the same text (Revelation) and come up with interpretations as different and varied as pre- and post-millennialism, and pre, mid and post-tribulation rapture, why would you expect to make sense of this text now with Meroni and company thrown into the mix?
 
Considering that different evangelical Christians can read the same text (Revelation) and come up with interpretations as different and varied as pre- and post-millennialism, and pre, mid and post-tribulation rapture, why would you expect to make sense of this text now with Meroni and company thrown into the mix?
I am pretty much at a loss because I think there are deliberate holes in the story to keep the uninitiated from understanding it. Like, "sign up with us and we will fill you in on what the Gentiles do not know"
For all I know, it is a more closely guarded secret than the Masons.
I don't see any Mormons or even ex-Mormons jumping in to add any info.
I kind of got this from the missionaries at my house years ago. One guy says, "well there is something about that. . ." then the other guy stares at him and then they decide they can't say anything more without permission, which apparently was denied.
 
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angelic ministers Dead people. Religious VIPs who are now deceased in body but alive in spirit.

trumpets sound This and much of the rest is likely just imagery and metaphorical but it could be literal. I don't think there is an official interpretation. The church doesn't often take positions on such things. To do so is to miss the larger point. That is, Daniel, The Book of Revelations and other eschatological works are written as if the authors were on drugs. So, when in Rome (writing your own eschatology), take copious amounts of LSD, Quaaludes and psilocybin and just wink and nod when discussing end times prophecy.
 
I am pretty much at a loss because I think there are deliberate holes in the story to keep the uninitiated from understanding it. Like, "sign up with us and we will fill you in on what the Gentiles do not know"
For all I know, it is a more closely guarded secret than the Masons.
I don't see any Mormons or even ex-Mormons jumping in to add any info.
I kind of got this from the missionaries at my house years ago. One guy says, "well there is something about that. . ." then the other guy stares at him and then they decide they can't say anything more without permission, which apparently was denied.
It's true that the Church keeps some of the information like multiple gods in heaven and temple ritual secret but the end times nonsense is as mysterious and obscure as anything in the Bible.

It's real simple. Don't take Mormonism or Christianity too seriously or literal. Both are nonsensical and require that you interpret and fill in the blanks. Mormons are as adept at making sense from D&C and BOM as you are in making sense of Daniel, Isaiah and The Book of Revelations.

Nudge nudge wink wink... Oh, and those that disagree are heretics.
 
angelic ministers Dead people. Religious VIPs who are now deceased in body but alive in spirit.
I noticed that, that there is a discussion about a real live person, Moroni, and the angel, Moroni, if they are the same person.
 
Mormons are as adept at making sense from D&C and BOM as you are in making sense of Daniel, Isaiah and The Book of Revelations.
I would have to guess that you are referring to books out of the Mormon book. I actually have a copy and I read it twenty years ago, but I don't know if I can even bring myself to touch it right now.
The reason I was asking is because of this thing that happened to me, that I described in ORUgrad's "First Post. . ." thread. One morning I woke up to a voice saying, "On (such and such) date (I think it was about seventy days into the future, but it was an exact date, though I can not remember it now) the Angel Moroni will blow his trumpet, heralding the coming of the end"
I thought, "What the Hell ?!".
This sounds really stupid, but I kept the date in mind, and waited for the day to arrive and listened to the news to see if anything funny happened. What I heard was, "BYU won the title of number one in the US college football thing (I am not a college football fan so it is kind of meaningless to me)". I thought, "OK, so some kind of coincidence that the Mormon angel is supposed to do something, and a Mormon college accomplishes something significant, and so?" But it has bugged me for the last twenty something years. If I bring it up with a Mormon, they can not get away from me fast enough. I am wondering if it was something like the Scientologists, where you earn higher degrees to get more special knowledge.
I was wondering if there was some sort of prophecy about Moroni. Like I said, one missionary started to say, yes, and then clammed up.
 
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I noticed that, that there is a discussion about a real live person, Moroni, and the angel, Moroni, if they are the same person.
Define "real live". Do you mean that Moroni was given flesh and blood attribute AND is an angel? If so then it's an unimportant point in Mormonism. AIU, Mormonism has no solid dogma as to Angels. They are simply individuals, spirit or otherwise, in the service of god.
 
I thought, "OK, so some kind of coincidence that the Mormon angel is supposed to do something, and a Mormon college accomplishes something significant, and so?" But it has bugged me for the last twenty something years. If I bring it up with a Mormon, they can not get away from me fast enough. I am wondering if it was something like the Scientologists, where you earn higher degrees to get more special knowledge.
I was wondering if there was some sort of prophecy about Moroni. Like I said, one missionary started to say, yes, and then clammed up.
Meh~ Mormon doctrine is very wishy washy. There is no equivalence to Catholicism. There is much in dispute and the Mormon hierarchy doesn't even bother to tell the members about many important changes to the dogma. Brigham Young (the ostensible prophet) taught that Adam was god, that adulterers and murderers had to be put to death to gain forgiveness. These have all since been abandoned by the Mormon church without any public notice.

Mormon Canon includes the Bible, D&C (doctrine and covenants) and BOM (Book of Mormon) as well as the Pearl of Great Price and Book of Abraham. The BOM is ostensibly a history of ancient American peoples. D&C is modern prophecy and scripture given to Joseph Smith and other prophets concerning Mormons.

The Mormon likely ran away because he wasn't certain if he was right or if it was information that he should share. I think the former is far more likely. I know of no reason why it would be secret.
 
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You mght as well try and find an understanding of "The Three Little Pigs".
 
The Mormon likely ran away because he wasn't certain if he was right or if it was information that he should share. I think the former is far more likely. I know of no reason why it would be secret.
That could be. I might be a little paranoid. It seems a little strange that the missionaries never came back. I was thinking that the supervisor person was afraid I might infect the young minds of the missionaries with what might have been something they should not be overly concerned about.
I was wondering because of this other revelation I got from my sister about how she was propagandizing me when I was very young. I was trying to figure out if there was some sort of actual teaching or prediction about Moroni that somehow could have been planted in my head, to later manifest itself at a vulnerable moment, like while waking up. I have to think, probably not. I have no idea why I would make something like that up. I also have no idea why God would go to the trouble to tell me something like that. I can hardly imagine how that info could ever be helpful. All I can think is that it is some sort of inoculation against anyone spouting off some sort of prophecy around me. To realize it is just so many words, and not to get excited.
 

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