Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Because maternity care in Mombassa was far better than anything a single mom could get in the states. Silly question.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Because maternity care in Mombassa was far better than anything a single mom could get in the states. Silly question.
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Which left the baby Barack Obama determined to fight a lifelong crusade to make high quality socialised health care available to his mother in the land of her birth. It all makes sense now!

Dave
 
Arus808 said:
Orly recently reposted this forgery:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21753920/Obama-Hawaii-Birth-Certificate-Shows-Kenya

I forget how it was determined that this was fake....
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"Birthplace: Kenya; Registered Honolulu. HRS 338-17.8 per Grandmother"

It is referencing HRS 338-17.8, which is the regulation birthers love to quote that allows someone not born in Hawaii to apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate. The problem is that HRS 338-17.8 wasn't put into law in Hawaii until 1982.

For a group of people that talk about how easy it is to forge a birth certificate they are really bad at it.:D
 
Arus808 said:
Barack saw his mother, who was very young and very single when she had him, and he saw her work hard to complete her education and try to raise he and his sister. (BAC - bolding is Arus808's)
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LOL! You've topped yourself, Arus808. Now you want to redefine English grammer and punctuation as well!

Or are you demonstrating ignorance as to the purpose of pairs of commas, and ignorance as to the importance of phrase positioning?

Could it be that English is your second language? :D
 
fullflavormenthol said:
"Birthplace: Kenya; Registered Honolulu. HRS 338-17.8 per Grandmother"

It is referencing HRS 338-17.8, which is the regulation birthers love to quote that allows someone not born in Hawaii to apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate. The problem is that HRS 338-17.8 wasn't put into law in Hawaii until 1982.

For a group of people that talk about how easy it is to forge a birth certificate they are really bad at it.:D
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On Birthistan they think that Obama is so evil that his minions can can apply a 1982 law to a 1961 document.
 
BeAChooser said:
LOL! You've topped yourself, Arus808. Now you want to redefine English grammer and punctuation as well!

Or are you demonstrating ignorance as to the purpose of pairs of commas, and ignorance as to the importance of phrase positioning?

Could it be that English is your second language? :D
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So, BAC, according to you, Obama has managed to gull, bribe, convince, or otherwise coerce Time Magazine, the San Francisco Chronicle, ABC News, and the University of Hawai'i into believing that his parents were married at the time he was born when they actually were not, but somehow neglected to bring his own wife in on this little conspiracy, so that Michelle inadvertently blew the whole thing wide open when she gave a speech somewhere?
 
CptColumbo said:
I only remember her saying something similar during the campaign in Feb. 2008. Which is long before he reached the White House, and before he was nominated.
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I didn't suggest otherwise. Yes, she said it during the campaign.

CptColumbo said:
The actual quote is "For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I'm Really Proud of My Country."
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Actually, the very first time she said that, she didn't say she was "really" proud. She only said she was proud.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/michelle-obam-1.html

Speaking in Milwaukee, Wisconsin today, would-be First Lady Michelle Obama said, "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope if finally making a comeback."
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It was later in Madison, during the effort to spin away the first comment, that she said

For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.
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And isn't it amazing the amount of spin and twisting that was necessary to explain away these comments? Because after all, everyone else seems to know that a great many good things occurred in this country in the more than 25 years Michelle had been an "adult" at the time she said that. And it's not like she personally suffered during those 25 years. Her background was exceedingly privileged. Her education was top notch. And she was earning $212,000 a year as lawyer ... prior to making those statements. In large part because of the many good things that had happened in America during those 25 years ... in which she felt no pride. Guess all was doom and gloom in her eyes ... until Obama brought us *change*. :rolleyes:

CptColumbo said:
BTW if you wish to continue down this road, I suggest you go to the politics forum.
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Don't you think a Princeton educated lawyer would know the meaning of pairs of commas used in the manner quoted in Arus808's post above? :D
 
ANTPogo said:
Just like how Larry Silverstein once saying "pull it" in reference to WTC7 totally overrides every single other statement and scientific investigation ever made to prove that the government is misleading everyone about the true circumstances of the collapse of that building, no matter how you try to "rationalize" it away.

Right, BAC?
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No, not just like. You see, Larry Silverstein used the phrase "pull it" in the way that firemen regularly used it when talking about firefighting efforts. And viewed in context, he was clearly suggesting they pull the "firefighting effort" out for fear the building was going to collapse.

In comparison, your side's interpretation of "when she had him" is at variance with grammer and punctuation rules that I'm almost certain a Princeton educated lawyer knows.
 
Alareth said:
Gee ... You make a lot of assumptions about my politics and worldview. Last time I checked I had registered as a Republican.

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Will you and your ilk please, PLEASE, go off and form a new party for yourself and give mine back. You're making the rest of us look like laughing stocks.
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Would you be a Scozzafava fan?

I'm not sure I'd call her a republican. Maybe a RINO.

And given her endorsement by the RNC (and ACORN), maybe you should be a little more concerned about the direction top republicans are taking the party, rather than what people like me are doing to it. :D
 
Jesus, BAC, you make that egregiously off-topic post after all the warnings you've had? Politics is not your only blind spot.

ETA: Oops, in response to #333 (the half-devil post :))
 
BeAChooser said:
Sort of like "is"? :D
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I've been lurking in the background reading this one as I find the topic absurd, but...

I love it when people pull out the "meaning of is" quote. You do realize, don't you, that after Clinton said "It depends on what the meaning of is is" he went on to give one of the most concise and detailed answers possible. So when he said that, he wasn't being evasive - as the people imply when quoting him - but rather he was being as complete and accurate as he could possibly be.

OTOH: I supposed that meme is firmly implanted in most people's minds and despite my protestations, a proper use of "the meaning of is" is but a pipe dream.

OK...back to the nonsense...
 
Arus808 said:
actually no it isn't. "had him" can mean anything.

Only one so narrow minded would think that it only has "one" definition.

"Had him" can mean "being apart of ones life" as well.

My cousin lived with my family for 3 years. So we "had him" living with us for a short time, before he returned to Okinawa.
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I think it's probably that she misspoke. When one speaks of a mother "having" a baby, to native speakers of English, at least, the verb have means to give birth.

I've always understood Bart Simpson's favorite expression, "don't have a cow, man" as (literally) meaning "don't give birth a cow," which is of course a joke meaning don't overreact.

Obama probably simply meant that his mother was de facto single although technically married or that she raised her son alone without much help from the father.

In any case, it is nonetheless a red herring which has no relevance to the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii and has all the vital records to prove it.
 
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