Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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BeAChooser said:
It's remarkable how Obama supporters always have to twist and spin in order to explain slips of the tongue by Obama and Michelle.
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Its amazing that Birthers, liken everyone who defends Obama against their smears as Obama supporters. IM not an Obama supporter, despite him being born in my Home state. I supported Hillary and never voted for Obama.

And no one is twisting what Michelle said, but the WND article you linked to. There was nothing in her quote that alleges any lies told by Obama about his life.

Obama was, for a time, raised by Ann, who was a single parent, when Obama was 3 years old up until he was 6 when she married Lolo Soetoro.

Tell me what is the twist there?




Remember her comment about not being proud of America until Obama sought the Whitehouse? Remember his calling Ayers just being a "guy in the neighborhood"? I bet you had rationalizations for those statements too. But eventually I think you will get tangled in the lies and lies and lies on which his life and policies are built. :D
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None of which has anything to do with this thread or the WND article you quoted. If you want to talk about "proud to be american" or Ayers' take it to the politics forum.


So, again, no one is twising her quote, but WND.

Anyone who did a 30 second search would have seen that the quote by Michelle was true.
 
I think I get it. Michelle is quoting Barak's memories of when he was young (certainly not when he was born!). His mother was often alone (so as if "single") when she "had" him (that is, when Barak was in her care, not when she gave birth).

BAC, do you think Michelle thinks Barak's mother was unmarried when he was born? Care to bet money on it?
 
By the way, TIME did a great article on Obama's mother, which can be found here.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-3,00.html

No twisting by any propaganda website.

It was the third result in a search on Google. BAC, shows yet again, he isn't willing to even investigate claims by websites that are known to stretch the truth. He takes whatever they say as fact, and goes with it.
 
Arus808 said:
Site like CNN, TIME, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York times. these are reputable websites as their stories are reputable.
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Oh ... you mean those sites that failed to tell the public the facts regarding the rape allegations against Clinton? The facts surrounding the deaths of Vince Foster and Ron Brown? The full story about FileGate and Chinagate? You mean those *reputable* sources? LOL!

Arus808 said:
As demonstrated, for much of Obama's young life (practically from age 1) he was raised by his mother, since his father WENT off to Harvard. If you dont understand how being raised by only a mother, while the father is off at HARVARD away from home, then you do not understand what "single" means.
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Don't you love it folks? democrats not only want to redefine what "marriage" means, now they apparently want to redefine what "single" means.

Arus808 said:
The fact that Ann filed for divocirce in 1964 proves and remarried 3 years later, shows that Obama was raised by his single, on food stamps, putting herself through college, young mother.
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But the statement by Michelle wasn't that Obama mom was single when he was 1 year old or 3 years old. It was that she was single when he was born. Are you now going to redefine what "born" means too? :D

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So a "blog"? another not credible source.
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LOL! I guess I underestimated the extent of your blinders. You aren't going to believe ANYTHING that challenges your world view ... even if it comes from a highly liberal, Obama idolizing source? :rolleyes:

Arus808 said:
in which WND misrepresented the quote
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No, they did not. They quoted Michele EXACTLY.

Arus808 said:
MIchelle OBAMA was telling the truth: Obama was raised by a VERY single Ann Obama in his very early life.
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But that is not what Michelle said in her speech.

Keep on twisting and spinning. :D

Arus808 said:
30 second research and they would have easily seen that Ann raised Obama on her own.
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No one claimed she didn't raise Obama alone.

But Michelle said she was "single" WHEN OBAMA WAS BORN.

Of course, you now need to redefine the word "single".

Were you one of those who redefined the word "is", too?

:D
 
Arus808 said:
I supported Hillary and never voted for Obama.
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Well I bet you're just tickled pink that Hillary is now Secretary of State and so many of Clinton's old cronies are members of Obama's adminstration. :D

Arus808 said:
Obama was, for a time, raised by Ann, who was a single parent, when Obama was 3 years old up until he was 6 when she married Lolo Soetoro.
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Except that's not what Michelle said during the speech.

She said Ann was young and single "when she had him".

Don't you know that the expression "had him" is a euphemism for "born"?

:D
 
Arus808 said:
By the way, TIME did a great article on Obama's mother, which can be found here.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-3,00.html

No twisting by any propaganda website.

It was the third result in a search on Google. BAC, shows yet again, he isn't willing to even investigate claims by websites that are known to stretch the truth.
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:rolleyes: I guess Arus808 failed to notice that I cited and quoted this exact TIME's article back in my original response to Alareth. So much for his *research*. :D
 
The exact quote by Michelle Obama in FULL context:

[applause] Barack saw his mother, who was very young and very single when she had him, and he saw her work hard to complete her education and try to raise he and his sister. And he saw through her struggle essentially what she tried to teach him, that you can do anything with a little hard work in this country.
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See how much spin WND did on this one statement when you see it in FULL context. It ends up making much more sense than what BAC and WND is trying to allude

there is no reference to "birth" or "born" when she was very young and very single. Only that she was young and single and had Obama. Any inference more into this statement is part of the bias seen by idiotic birthers.
 
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BeAChooser said:
Well I bet you're just tickled pink that Hillary is now Secretary of State and so many of Clinton's old cronies are members of Obama's adminstration. :D
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nothing to do with thread.



Except that's not what Michelle said during the speech.

She said Ann was young and single "when she had him".

Don't you know that the expression "had him" is a euphemism for "born"?

:D
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actually no it isn't. "had him" can mean anything.

Only one so narrow minded would think that it only has "one" definition.

"Had him" can mean "being apart of ones life" as well.

My cousin lived with my family for 3 years. So we "had him" living with us for a short time, before he returned to Okinawa.
 
WND is a birther resource on par with Orly Taitz. They are the ones that among other things sponsored those stupid billboards across the country, and sent those faxes to members of the electorial college. What is really funny is that they really didn't care about the birther nonsense, and in fact debunked the "fake COLB" claim themselves before the election. It wasn't until after McCain lost that suddenly WND went all birther.

So...while it is relevant to the conversation what they have to say, it is relevant in the same way Orly Taitz is. Basically finding out what the birther nutcases have to say.
 
BeAChooser said:
It's remarkable how Obama supporters always have to twist and spin in order to explain slips of the tongue by Obama and Michelle. Remember her comment about not being proud of America until Obama sought the Whitehouse? Remember his calling Ayers just being a "guy in the neighborhood"? I bet you had rationalizations for those statements too. But eventually I think you will get tangled in the lies and lies and lies on which his life and policies are built. :D
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Bolding mine.

I only remember her saying something similar during the campaign in Feb. 2008. Which is long before he reached the White House, and before he was nominated. The actual quote is "For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I'm Really Proud of My Country." Since I probably didn't have the same experiences as her in my adult years, I really can't criticize the remark. Until Obama was elected it had been a long time since I was proud of my country (which doesn't mean I didn't love my country).

I don't have eleborate "rationalizations," but I do have the actual facts.

BTW if you wish to continue down this road, I suggest you go to the politics forum.
 
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Don't you people understand? Michelle Obama once saying that Barack's mother was "single when she had him" totally overrides every single other statement and legal document ever made to prove that Obama is misleading everyone about the true circumstances of his birth, no matter how you try to "rationalize" it away!

Just like how Larry Silverstein once saying "pull it" in reference to WTC7 totally overrides every single other statement and scientific investigation ever made to prove that the government is misleading everyone about the true circumstances of the collapse of that building, no matter how you try to "rationalize" it away.

Right, BAC?
 
BeAChooser said:
LOL! I know you wouldn't know a reputable source if it hit you.

Did you bother to check the link in the WND article? Of course not.

You probably just dismiss out of hand anything that challenges your world view.

But here is the link from the WND article:

http://blog.showmeprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1297

And guess what?

It's to a liberal, democrat source. That should make it trustworthy enough for you.

And it shows a TRANSCRIPT of the speech Michelle Obama gave in Kansas City.

And that transcript says EXACTLY what WND reported. Go figure.

Here's a direct quote from it:



See? Just as WND reported. Guess they are more reputable than you think.

And I guess you also failed to notice another link in the WND article ... to an article on the MSNBC blog that also reported exactly the same thing.

Oh shucks...

As to WND's claim that the Obama camp has maintained that his mom and dad were married at the time he was born, there are countless sources that indicate that. Here are a few you can't possibly challenge as *non-reputable* because they are all Obama loving left-wing media sources:


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-3,00.html



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/14/MNCVVJJRK.DTL



http://abcnews.go.com/WN/WhoIs/story?id=3802731&page=1&page=1



http://www.hawaii.edu/malamalama/2009/01/lessons-for-president-obama/



Now, aren't you feeling a bit silly?

Guess you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss WND article I cite. :D
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Gee ... You make a lot of assumptions about my politics and worldview. Last time I checked I had registered as a Republican.

That being said, I find people like you who are so ridiculously partisan that it drives you into the realm of insanity with hatred of any differing veiwpoints to be absurdities worth nothing but contempt.

You're a characture clinging to anything even remotely negative about the "evil" Democrats without concern for how badly it reflects on you.

World Net Daily is the same, spinning the smallest things into something people like you can froth at the mouth over.

Regardless of politics the entire birther debate is the purest form of idiocy.

Will you and your ilk please, PLEASE, go off and form a new party for yourself and give mine back. You're making the rest of us look like laughing stocks.
 
I thought it was "why not denailism?"
 
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