Rifqa Bary, whats the deal?

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Why should Rifqa Bary stay in Florida, was she brain washed to join an islamic, ooops, I mean Cristian cult?

What gives, parent's rights and all that?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/osceola/orl-mike-thomas-rifqa-092209,0,5602933.column

The Ohio cops say they can't find any threat. The Florida cops say they can't find any threat.
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As this case drags on, we learn more about Rifqa's supposedly radical Islamic family.

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Let's see: Teenage son throwing parties. Rebellious teenage daughter. Kids rejecting parents' religious beliefs. Parents loving kids no matter what. Arguments. Accusations.

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What always puzzled me about Rifqa's story was her role as a high-school cheerleader. How could a Muslim extremist dad let his daughter wear a short skirt and shake pompoms?

Investigators from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement asked her. She said her parents had no idea what being a cheerleader entailed, that she wore sweat pants when she left for practice to hide her skirt, and that her parents never saw a picture of her in her outfit.

When investigators went to the parents' apartment, they saw pictures of Rifqa in her cheerleading outfit prominently displayed.

In another inconsistency, Rifqa said a teacher offered to take her in because of her father's threats. But the teacher told investigators she didn't know about any threats. Her offer was for those nights her brother was throwing parties.
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There is one point of agreement between Rifqa and her father. They did have a confrontation in which he grabbed her laptop computer.

She says he threatened to kill her with it. He says he was mad and was going to throw it across the room. But the Amway salesman changed his mind when he remembered how much it cost. Both agree he didn't touch her.

You could see Rifqa's attorney John Stemberger back off the crazy-killer dad charge when he suddenly attacked the Noor Islamic Cultural Center. This is where the Bary family goes. Stemberger calls it a hotbed of extremism and terrorism — imaginary charges not substantiated by any law-enforcement agency — and a threat to Rifqa.

The Noor center is known for engaging in community charity and reaching out to other faiths. It is considered very mainstream.

Rabbi Misha Zinkow of Temple Israel in Columbus, Ohio, recently spoke there at an inter-faith gathering.

"Their presence in the community is a positive one," he said. "My interaction with the Muslim community has been very positive."
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She has been returned home, sort of
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hJLMa2rROo9H7Cx3ycwhj5uPXOMwD9BJK8K81

Rifqa Bary returned to circumstances far different than those she left: Instead of her home in New Albany, one of central Ohio's most well-off communities, she'll be in a foster home under state custody.

Bary, 17, will also have her phone and Internet use supervised by the Franklin County Children Service Agency, under a judge's order issued earlier Tuesday.

The children's services agency had blamed Bary's use of Facebook for her troubles, saying she went to Orlando, Fla., after talking to the Rev. Blake Lorenz, pastor of Global Revolution Church, in an online prayer group.
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Can you imagine the uproar if the situation were reversed and a Muslim Imam cozened a teenage girl to leave her Christian family and live with him in another state and for her to become a Muslim?

It would not have taken months to resolve, the police would have had that kid home within days.
 
Keep in mind that conservatives are all for parental rights when it comes to situations like abortion.

But when it comes to something that contradicts their position then they think parents have no rights at all. Evidence is this case where FoxNews came down heavily on the side of the "persecuted teen". Further evidence is when they came down heavily on the side of the Florida family that wanted to keep Elian in country contrary to the Cuban father's wishes. I recall them saying the father had no rights back then. LOL
 
Dancing David said:
She says he threatened to kill her with it. He says he was mad and was going to throw it across the room. But the Amway salesman changed his mind when he remembered how much it cost. Both agree he didn't touch her.
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We note here a Muslim father who did NOT resort to any of that honor killing stuff. He's just mad at her, like any father may get mad at a son or daughter for acting like a twit (as he sees it).

Maybe he ought to just throw a shoe at her. :p

Musing: On second thought, maybe American Taliban Lindh's parents should have thrown his PC across the room ages before he wandered off to Afghanistan.

I empathize with this man's anguish. He raised his daughter, and here she is, thumbing her nose at him, culturally, by getting involved in a Chrstian sect. (PS: he and I have in common daughters who were cheerleaders, if nothing else).

Second musing: In Afghanistan, as an old news story tells us, becoming apostate can lead to the death penalty, also IIRC in Saudi. While I am not sure where his old world cultural roots are, I am sure he agonizes over how badly this reflects upon his family among his peers and associates in the local community.

My daughter, the apostate.

That's gotta grate on his nerves, sorta like

My daughter, the hooker.

Would grate on mine.

Poor guy.

DR
 
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I got into it on Facebook a few weeks ago with the housewife of a friend who has nothing better to do than watch Fox News and post to Facebook all day. She fully supported keeping the girl in Florida because of the purported threats of death. Apparently some moderate muslim hacked his wife's head off for some reason a while back and thus all muslims are capable of killing their families. I wanted to ask if all christian mothers should therefore have their babies taken away for a few months after birth because of that crazy broad in Houston who drowned her kids because they were devil children, but thought better of it since this particular housewife lives in Houston and just had a kid. Didn't want to go there.

My two cents on this: Bary is a misguided, rebellious teenager. She was talking with whackos through Facebook who inflated her sense of self importance to the point where when daddy didn't like what was happening she was easily convinced that her her life was in danger. If you have any doubts about these people and the state of mind of this girl listen to this. Get's real good at about 4 minutes. That type of "praying" sets off some seeeeeerious red flags. If it were my daughter I'd have gone ahead and chucked that laptop if that's what Facebook is leading her to do.

Send her home.
Take away her computer.
Tell her she is not as important as she thinks.
 
Lurker said:
But when it comes to something that contradicts their position then they think parents have no rights at all
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But how can muslims be expected to raise good, god fearing, christian children? It's like a whole 'nother god who speaks some moonman language!!:eek:
 
Manly Man said:
But how can muslims be expected to raise good, god fearing, christian children? It's like a whole 'nother god who speaks some moonman language!!:eek:
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Religion and Philosophy forum, over thataway -------------------->
 
Manly Man said:
Apparently some moderate muslim hacked his wife's head off for some reason a while back and thus all muslims are capable of killing their families. I wanted to ask if all christian mothers should therefore have their babies taken away for a few months after birth because of that crazy broad in Houston who drowned her kids because they were devil children, but thought better of it since this particular housewife lives in Houston and just had a kid.
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Regardless of the particular merits of this case, this comparison is simply wrong. That Christian mother was insane. Not insane as in doing something that makes no sense to us, insane as in her brain was wildly malfunctioning. In contrast, honor killings do NOT require or generally involve any kind of insanity. They are a cultural phenomenon which is quite real, far more widespread, and however un-PC it may be to notice this, they are also overwhelmingly committed by (and against) muslims.

I do not know if this girl is in any danger. I'm sure many muslim parents could never conceive of harming their children. But I also know, as does anyone else who has been paying attention, that the danger of honor killings for women who shame their families is a peculiarly muslim problem.
 
Ziggurat said:
Regardless of the particular merits of this case, this comparison is simply wrong. That Christian mother was insane. Not insane as in doing something that makes no sense to us, insane as in her brain was wildly malfunctioning. In contrast, honor killings do NOT require or generally involve any kind of insanity. They are a cultural phenomenon which is quite real, far more widespread, and however un-PC it may be to notice this, they are also overwhelmingly committed by (and against) muslims.

I do not know if this girl is in any danger. I'm sure many muslim parents could never conceive of harming their children. But I also know, as does anyone else who has been paying attention, that the danger of honor killings for women who shame their families is a peculiarly muslim problem.
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And in this case Rofqa was not truthful about the threats.

Yeah, except for when people in Italy and every where else would do it too.

Currently it is restricted in scope, what if we just count domestic violence in general however.

ETA: Here are some ethnic Albanians (could be Orthodox 26%, Islam 72%) who killed their sister because she did not produce blood on her wedding night.
http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=8394

It doesn't look good for many countries in terms of violence against women at Amnesty, in terms of ' "not a virgin" killed', you get only Turkey.
 
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Dancing David said:
Yeah, except for when people in Italy and every where else would do it too.

Currently is is restricted in scope, what is we just count domestic violence in general however.
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No, David. Domestic violence and honor killings are not the same thing. Honor killings are communal, ordinary domestic violence is individual.
 
Ziggurat said:
No, David. Domestic violence and honor killings are not the same thing. Honor killings are communal, ordinary domestic violence is individual.
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No, I would argue differently that honor killing is a subset of domestic violence, in many cases.

However back to the OP, Rifqa lied about it and ran away from home to join a 'cult' and became a cause celebre for certain groups.
 
Dancing David said:
No, I would argue differently that honor killing is a subset of domestic violence, in many cases.

However back to the OP, Rifqa lied about it and ran away from home to join a 'cult' and became a cause celebre for certain groups.
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This sort of "runaway from home to a religious cult" was a commonplace in the US in the 80's, and IIRC the 70's. Cults like the Jonestown group were attracting people by the dozen.

I recall deprogrammers being hired by worried parents. There were charges of kidnapping in both directions. It was all over the news. All that this story has is Mom and Dad as Muslims, and the kid's lame justification for running away from home.

DR
 
Apparently the state of Ohio is enforcing shari'a law on Bary Rifqa.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/november-16th-rally-for-rifqa.html

Ohio is practicing sharia law. Where are Rifqa's civil rights? Where is her freedom of religion? Why isn't Obama fighting for her right to NOT wear the hijab?

Her parents, here illegally from Sri Lanka, perjured themselves repeatedly and abused Rifqa for years. They are devout Muslims. The punishment for apostasy in Islam is death. Why can't Rifqa choose her own attorney? She is up against an array of legal talent and her parents have changed lawyers as frequently as toddlers change diapers.
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Of course this blog is full of interesting uncited and unsourced pieces of informations as well.
 
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Her parents, here illegally from Sri Lanka,
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In that case, deport the lot of them, including her daughter.

Elio in three, two, one ..

Where's Janet Reno when you need her?

DR
 
Lurker said:
Can you imagine the uproar if the situation were reversed and a Muslim Imam cozened a teenage girl to leave her Christian family and live with him in another state and for her to become a Muslim?
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Can you imagine the uproar if the Imam got a teenager to leave the country and join a terrorist group?

Oh...

... oh.
 
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