GeeMack
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Thanks for your response, Tapio, but I think you're still missing some important aspects of this discussion.
Well we certainly know he believes it. Just his carrying on in this thread, the ignorance, the incredulity, the lies, the confirmation bias, the repetition, the false dichotomies, the circular reasoning, the cherry picking, the logical fallacies, the misunderstanding of the scientific method, the misunderstanding of the burden of proof, the misunderstanding of the inequality of hypotheses, they all speak to the fact that he believes aliens exist. If he's just trying to prove he believes it, he succeeded on Page 1.
But it is also his claim that aliens exist, and that his intent is to support his claim with evidence. And no, he hasn't brought forth a single shred of evidence to support that contention.
Great. Go to the religion forum if you want to have a philosophical chat. Rramjet has made a claim that aliens exist and that he would be bringing in evidence to support that position. So far he's proven a 100% failure at that effort. It's not about beliefs, at least not until he admits that his position is simply a belief, like faith, unsupportable by evidence.
There's one claim, one side. If Rramjet can't communicate well enough to make his point clearly and effectively, that's nobody's fault but his. He's been reminded several times by several people in this thread that he appears to have a reading comprehension problem. I already recommended that he talk to the principal at his high school and check into some remedial reading courses. If he doesn't care to be understood, to follow up on good advice, there's nothing we can do about it.
Perhaps you perceive my blunt honesty as hostility. Perhaps you think it's hostile of me to call a spade a spade, or in Rramjet's case, call a liar a liar. I assure you I'd like as much as anyone to see him actually cough up the evidence that he claims to have. But when he's arguing from ignorance, you'll likely see me or someone else call him on it, and when he bases his position on his incredulity, someone is bound to catch him at that, too. This is a skeptics' forum, Tapio. You know, if he can't take the heat and all that.
He claimed to have evidence that aliens exist. He didn't claim to have evidence that he believes aliens exist. (I addressed this above.) It might be helpful for you to keep those two concepts separated.
No authority on science is necessary to realize that arguments from ignorance, incredulity, and lies are fallacies and don't support Rramjet's claim in any way.
Maybe you can save your lecture on respect for the fellow who opened this thread claiming to have evidence that aliens exist, then ignored and lied to people over and over again simply because we're a bunch of skeptics who happen to be just demanding enough to expect him to carry through on his claim. Don't try to make anyone else into the bad guy for not coddling him or humoring him. If he can't support his claim, the honest thing for him to do is admit it.
Well we certainly know he believes it. Just his carrying on in this thread, the ignorance, the incredulity, the lies, the confirmation bias, the repetition, the false dichotomies, the circular reasoning, the cherry picking, the logical fallacies, the misunderstanding of the scientific method, the misunderstanding of the burden of proof, the misunderstanding of the inequality of hypotheses, they all speak to the fact that he believes aliens exist. If he's just trying to prove he believes it, he succeeded on Page 1.
But it is also his claim that aliens exist, and that his intent is to support his claim with evidence. And no, he hasn't brought forth a single shred of evidence to support that contention.
Great. Go to the religion forum if you want to have a philosophical chat. Rramjet has made a claim that aliens exist and that he would be bringing in evidence to support that position. So far he's proven a 100% failure at that effort. It's not about beliefs, at least not until he admits that his position is simply a belief, like faith, unsupportable by evidence.
There's one claim, one side. If Rramjet can't communicate well enough to make his point clearly and effectively, that's nobody's fault but his. He's been reminded several times by several people in this thread that he appears to have a reading comprehension problem. I already recommended that he talk to the principal at his high school and check into some remedial reading courses. If he doesn't care to be understood, to follow up on good advice, there's nothing we can do about it.
Perhaps you perceive my blunt honesty as hostility. Perhaps you think it's hostile of me to call a spade a spade, or in Rramjet's case, call a liar a liar. I assure you I'd like as much as anyone to see him actually cough up the evidence that he claims to have. But when he's arguing from ignorance, you'll likely see me or someone else call him on it, and when he bases his position on his incredulity, someone is bound to catch him at that, too. This is a skeptics' forum, Tapio. You know, if he can't take the heat and all that.
He claimed to have evidence that aliens exist. He didn't claim to have evidence that he believes aliens exist. (I addressed this above.) It might be helpful for you to keep those two concepts separated.
No authority on science is necessary to realize that arguments from ignorance, incredulity, and lies are fallacies and don't support Rramjet's claim in any way.
Maybe you can save your lecture on respect for the fellow who opened this thread claiming to have evidence that aliens exist, then ignored and lied to people over and over again simply because we're a bunch of skeptics who happen to be just demanding enough to expect him to carry through on his claim. Don't try to make anyone else into the bad guy for not coddling him or humoring him. If he can't support his claim, the honest thing for him to do is admit it.
