Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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AdinDraco said:
Thank you very much everyone for the Jesus childhood links. I'm checking them out. :)
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You do understand that ALL the myths of Jesus childhood are at very best just traditions. Nothing is known of this jesus until just before his death. The 1-3 years of his life according to the N/T.
 
Mr Clingford said:
It's a shame that Randi starts off by stating something wrong - there is no account of Christ's birth in John 1. It's something very very basic.
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You're right there, Mr Clingford.

Still,that do you make of the archeological allusions?
I went around to Wikipedia and found, after cutting through the hemming and hawing, the Amazing One was right, as far as we know.
Any links you have on the subject would be most welcome.

Just about anything on any subject is welcome as we pass the time here awaiting the evidence promised in the OP and I'd be as happy learning about Nazareth as moving on to post up point #2 of Josh McDowell's proof of the NT's veracity.
Point #1 seems to yielded its potential; I've been most pleased no one made any cheap jibes about Josh McDowell's concept of Roman law enforcement this time around.
 
Mr Clingford said:
Eh? What about all the other gospels etc? Gospel of Thomas etc?
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That in itself is a bit problematic, as we don't really know why the fab' four were included and all the other Gospels were rejected.

Was that selection on legitimate grounds?
I am not familiar enough with the apocryphal Gospels to judge about that, but my understanding was that the selection was mostly done on the basis of familiarity...
 
Belz... said:
After Zombie Jesus and Buddy Christ, SUPER-Jesus!
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pakeha said:
You're right there, Mr Clingford.

Still,that do you make of the archeological allusions?
I went around to Wikipedia and found, after cutting through the hemming and hawing, the Amazing One was right, as far as we know.
Any links you have on the subject would be most welcome.

Just about anything on any subject is welcome as we pass the time here awaiting the evidence promised in the OP and I'd be as happy learning about Nazareth as moving on to post up point #2 of Josh McDowell's proof of the NT's veracity.
Point #1 seems to yielded its potential; I've been most pleased no one made any cheap jibes about Josh McDowell's concept of Roman law enforcement this time around.
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Akhenaten said:
Heartily agreed.

More from Mr Clingford please!


Cheers,

Dave
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Sorry, I wish I had something useful to contribute on the topic of Nazareth. The subject is interesting and as it stands there does not appear to be 'cast iron' evidence of a decent-sized settlement c. 30 AD. What one may conclude from this is up for grabs.

I've never been keen on pilgrimages to Israel because I am highly sceptical of the claims people make that such-and-such-a-place is where Jesus did so and so. Very dubious.

As for Mr Randi's style, I think he should just stick to the facts - one part annoyed me and that was the way he said, "By the way, Jesus escaped by some sort of subterfuge". Where the hell did he get that from? It's not in Luke.

If it is proved that there wasn't a Nazareth then, yes that shows that the Bible can get facts wrong, which is no surprise to most of us. Yes, I would be surprised. I'm always considering my faith so that wouldn't change!If it could be proved that Jesus never existed then I think I would consider becoming Jewish, but of the liberal kind that eats bacon and doesn't get circumsized. I still think that Xtianity has some good ethics but I've been a bit crap lately at saying why.
 
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Akhenaten said:
The BBC reporting that some fruitcakes believe in Xenu is the same as Tacitus reporting that some ancient fruitcakes believed in Jeebus.
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I hope that doesn't mean that 42 US presidents will eventually claim a belief in Xenu as they have with Christianity.
 
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DOC said:
I hope that doesn't mean that 42 US presidents with eventually claim a belief in Xenu as they have with Christianity.
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DOC, seriously, do you understand why appeals to authority and appeals to popularity are fallacies? You use them repeatedly, and yet dismiss counter-examples without any demonstration that you even understand what is wrong with your "evidence".

So, to clarify, please define and describe the fallacies appeal to authority and appeal to popularity in your own words. If you cannot, you will never understand why your arguments are so unconvincing, and you will never convince people who try to apply critical thinking skills to beliefs regarding religion that your ideas have merit.
 
DOC said:
I hope that doesn't mean that 42 US presidents with eventually claim a belief in Xenu as they have with Christianity.
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I don't think you've ever used the appeal to authority fallacy before, have you?

ETA: Hokulele beat me to it. Which isn't a bad thing.
 
My shoddy memory - I'm only 37, help.

Having reread the thread I linked to, there appear to be strong arguments, and from an atheist too, that Randi was talking crap. Shrug.
 
Simon39759 said:
That in itself is a bit problematic, as we don't really know why the fab' four were included and all the other Gospels were rejected.
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Having 2 eyewitness apostles (Matthew and John) , 1 associate/companion of the main apostle Peter (Mark), and a physician who was eventually called one of the world's greatest historians (Luke), are not bad choices.

I know, now Pax or somebody is going to come in and say but we don't know who wrote the gospels. I'll answer that point before hand. I've already posted considerable evidence in this thread for the authorship of Matthew and John, if you don't agree with that evidence then so be it.
 
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DOC said:
I hope that doesn't mean that 42 US presidents will eventually claim a belief in Xenu as they have with Christianity.
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The bottom line is you have been told lots and lots of times that fallacious appeals to authority, mean nothing yet you still make them time and time again.

Why do you think they are important?
Do you think people are impressed by them?
Why continue to make them?
 
Hokulele said:
DOC, seriously, do you understand why appeals to authority and appeals to popularity are fallacies?
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I stated a historical fact. Things happen for a reason. Why don't you and others just let people make up their own minds as to what history means.
 
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DOC said:
I stated a historical fact. Things happen for a reason. Why don't you and others just let people make up their own minds as to what history means.
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This thread is not about historical facts about president of the USA. It is about evidence that the New Testament Writers told the truth.

Why do you think that the beliefs of presidents constitutes evidence that New testament Writers told the truth?
 
Mr Clingford said:
If it could be proved that Jesus never existed then I think I would consider becoming Jewish, but of the liberal kind that eats bacon and doesn't get circumsized.
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But keep in mind that most of the discussions surrounding the topic of the existence of Jesus are about whether there is a historical person somewhere underneath it all. But even without a historical person, there is nothing - in principle at least - that precludes the possibility that, say, Earl Doherty and Paul have got it right. Who knows, maybe JM is The Truth after all? ;)
 
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Lord Emsworth said:
But keep in mind that most of the discussions surrounding the topic of the existence of Jesus are about whether there is a historical person somewhere underneath it all.
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Indeed
Lord Emsworth said:
But even without a historical person, there is nothing - in principle at least - that precludes the possibility that, say, Earl Doherty and Paul have got it right. Who knows, maybe JM is The Truth after all? ;)
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Aaaah, the mind boggles. Tell me I can keep the bacon sandwiches. Drool (My attempted alcohol derail a page or two ago didn't catch on, perhaps a bacon sandwich/ roll one might).
 
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