Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
So you can't compare the fact that the resurrection is whole essence and the reason for the existence of Christianity to Xenu who senior scientology members have denied or minimized.
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And yet, Peter denied Jesus not once, not twice, but three times.

Oh right, it's only evidence when it works in your favor...
 
DOC said:
So you can't compare the fact that the resurrection is whole essence and the reason for the existence of Christianity to Xenu who senior scientology members have denied or minimized.
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So? Xenu is believed by its core members and that along with a boat load of cash keeps Scientology going.

So if Jesus was never resurrected; it would not matter?
 
Lothian said:
So you are saying that other than being resurrected Jesus said nothing and did nothing to merit a following.

They do say sad people kill themselves to get attention.
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I think DOC is saying that Thomas Jefferson is wrong about the Bible; Jesus is irrelevant without the Resurrection.
 
DOC said:
Not the same because Xenu is not the primary basis on which the religion of scientology exists today for the majority of its members.

From Wiki on Xenu:

Senior members of the Church of Scientology have several times publicly denied or minimized the importance of the Xenu story, but others have admitted its existence. In a BBC Panorama program that aired on May 14, 2007, senior Scientologist Tommy Davis interrupted when celebrity members are asked about Xenu, saying: "None of us know what you're talking about. It's loony. It's weird."...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

So you can't compare the fact that the resurrection is whole essence and the reason for the existence of Christianity to Xenu who senior scientology members have denied or minimized.
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I'm glad you bolded the bits you did. It saved me the trouble of doing it.

Davis was lying through his teeth in your reference.

Check mine out for something more recent.

The relevant bit starts at 3:40

Linky
 
Hokulele said:
And yet, Peter denied Jesus not once, not twice, but three times.

Oh right, it's only evidence when it works in your favor...
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Well, Peter's life was possibly at stake if he admitted he knew Jesus. The senior member of Scientology life was not in immediate danger when he answered the question about Xenu and Ron Hubbard was not nearby facing execution.

And Jesus was not hidden from rank and file members like Xenu has been. Bottom line is that the story of Xenu is nowhere near as important to Scientology as a whole as the resurrection is to Christianity so you can't compare the two.
 
DOC said:
Well, Peter's life was possibly at stake if he admitted he knew Jesus. The senior member of Scientology life was not in immediate danger when he answered the question about Xenu and Ron Hubbard was not nearby facing execution.

And Jesus was not hidden from rank and file members like Xenu has been. Bottom line is that the story of Xenu is nowhere near as important to Scientology as a whole as the resurrection is to Christianity so you can't compare the two.
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That's nice. So do you have any evidence of this so-called resurrection yet?
 
DOC said:
Well, Peter's life was possibly at stake if he admitted he knew Jesus. The senior member of Scientology life was not in immediate danger when he answered the question about Xenu and Ron Hubbard was not nearby facing execution.

And Jesus was not hidden from rank and file members like Xenu has been. Bottom line is that the story of Xenu is nowhere near as important to Scientology as a whole as the resurrection is to Christianity so you can't compare the two.
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And yet, you just did.
 
Lothian said:
So you are saying that other than being resurrected Jesus said nothing and did nothing to merit a following.
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No, but it was the resurrection that proved that Jesus was who he said he was, the Messiah, and the son of God. And thus seeing a resurrected Christ would prove eternal life to the apostles. And when you know, that you know, that you know, there is eternal life {because you have seen a resurrected person} your not so concerned about being martyred, in fact you might gladly look forward to it.
 
DOC said:
No, but it was the resurrection that proved that Jesus was who he said he was, the Messiah, and the son of God. And thus seeing a resurrected Christ would prove eternal life to the apostles. And when you know, that you know, that you know, there is eternal life {because you have seen a resurrected person} your not so concerned about being martyred, in fact you might gladly look forward to it.
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What a perfectly horrible worldview.
 
DOC said:
No, but it was the resurrection that proved that Jesus was who he said he was, the Messiah, and the son of God. And thus seeing a resurrected Christ would prove eternal life to the apostles. And when you know, that you know, that you know, there is eternal life {because you have seen a resurrected person} your not so concerned about being martyred, in fact you might gladly look forward to it.
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That is truly disgusting.
 
paximperium said:
That's nice. So do you have any evidence of this so-called resurrection yet?
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I've already answered this several times. If you don't like my answers, then you don't like my answers, but it's trollish to keep asking these same type questions.
 
DOC said:
I've already answered this several times. If you don't like my answers, then you don't like my answers, but it's trollish to keep asking these same type questions.
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No, you haven't. You spouted out some noise and claimed it was evidence just like that idiot Geisler. It is trollish to keep claiming you have when you haven't.

So do you have any evidence of this fraudulent resurrection yet?
 
DOC said:
I've already answered this several times. If you don't like my answers, then you don't like my answers, but it's trollish to keep asking these same type questions.
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paximperium said:
No, you haven't. You spouted out some noise and claimed it was evidence just like that idiot Geisler. It is trollish to keep claiming you have when you haven't.

So do you have any evidence of this fraudulent resurrection yet?
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5241734#post5241734
 
DOC said:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5241734#post5241734
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Where is this evidence? I don't see any at all. Repeatedly claiming to have presented evidence when you haven't is trolling. Why are you trolling?
Lothian said:
No. There are 6 'facts' in that article. For that to be evidence that the new testament is the truth the facts must be verified from material outside the new testament. This your old 'the bible is true because it says it is true' trick. Look I will make it easy for you. Prove the first fact and I will accept the rest. Show evidence for the "BROKEN ROMAN SEAL" without referring to the bible.


1. 'More likely' is not evidence.
2. Martyrdom is not evidence of the resurrection.

If Christianity makes no sense without the resurrection, why are there reports of Jesus having followers in his life time? Were they without sense?

More people in the world do not believe in Jesus than do. Those that do believe can't agree on what it true and what is not. But that is irrelevant, size does not matter. Think about the logic of what you are saying. You are arguing that as Christianity decreases in size it becomes less true, and the increase in Islam make that more true. This is so obviously wrong. The number of followers has no impact on the truth.
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DOC said:
Well, Peter's life was possibly at stake if he admitted he knew Jesus. The senior member of Scientology life was not in immediate danger when he answered the question about Xenu and Ron Hubbard was not nearby facing execution.

And Jesus was not hidden from rank and file members like Xenu has been. Bottom line is that the story of Xenu is nowhere near as important to Scientology as a whole as the resurrection is to Christianity so you can't compare the two.
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Hokulele said:
And yet, you just did.
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No, I didn't, I just explained why you can't compare the two as being similarly important to their religions.
 
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