You really believe getting paid well and being happy in your job (for however long your career lasts!) are the only two factors in career choice?
Should I consult somebody else, do you think?!
The internet is for porn.
....so I hear...
Your "experience may be "wrong""! How does that work, then?
So whale harpooner's OK then? Good luck to your kids.
What do you mean by "represents the world"?
Nothing, actually, but then that wasn't your response, was it. In fact it was:
But I can see you're not going to be drawn on admitting your parapraxis, which is OK - I know where you're coming from.
No thank you - I know what that term means. I would, however, take issue with the word "unprestigious", which I believe is your attempt to play down your parapraxis. "Low-status" clearly doesn't mean "unprestigious" (by any reasonable meaning of those terms/words), otherwise my profession, and arguably yours, would be classified as low-status. Mine certainly is not "low-status", but, being an engineer, I'll allow you to speak for yourself!
Oh, the irony!
No, it went like this:
"Let's discuss whether there is something wrong with porn"
"OK, do you want to discuss whether there is something wrong with this kind of porn too?"
Ah, ok, I had missed that. I had thought that hobby porn might successfully imply that many women are interested in creating (and consuming) porn and that it's possible that the social stigma is a big part of what women react to when forming negative opinions about performing in porn. But nevermind.
Ah, so the scope of the discussion is meant to be limited to the kind of porn you like. Well in that case I must say I really do doubt there are many women who would freely choose to participate in the production of horse porn.
Seriously though, you do sound a lot like a troll cause you're barely engaging on anything, you're just going 'oh yeah?' to everybody... What do you expect? I'm very interested in debates on this subject so it's frustrating that this thread's going absolutely nowhere.
You're not against porn, I get it. But you seem to think there's a lot wrong with it, and every time we try to discuss that with you you just repeat that our opinions are blinkered and anyway you do too like porn.
Nothing, actually, but then that wasn't your response, was it. In fact it was:
But I can see you're not going to be drawn on admitting your parapraxis, which is OK - I know where you're coming from.
otherwise my profession, and arguably yours, would be classified as low-status. Mine certainly is not "low-status", but, being an engineer, I'll allow you to speak for yourself!
Ah, the second interpretation. Fair enough.
That's the problem with implication, especially in the written word - easily misconstrued. Better to just call a spade a spade, I say. But I'm sure there's some truth in your postulate. I'm sure the "regular"(
) women wandering the planet to whom I alluded earlier would find drawing and/or writing porn much more palatable than performing it.Well I did start the thread, and I was challenged to define porn, so I'd say that's my prerogative. I can't dictate the direction a thread will go, though, and I'm all for a bit of diversification.
Nay, in the main, I'd say (on the hoof, of couse!).Well in that case I must say I really do doubt there are many women who would freely choose to participate in the production of horse porn.
I will confess, I like to be provocative (it helps people to reveal their true selves (sometimes!)), and if people are susceptible to coming along for the ride so be it. We certainly have a band of merry men (and women) here, I say. That said, for the avoidance of doubt, my OP was genuine, and I don't consider myself a troll. I'm a stickler for accuracy, though, and if somebody demands that I answer their questions, but in their questions they claim that I've written "x" when I've really written "y", well, they should only expect their questions to be met with either more questions or rebuttals. I think that's fair enough.
As I wrote earlier, I don't think there's anything "wrong" with porn per se, from which you will deduce that I'm not entirely comfortable with it either, by which I mean I don't have great respect for porn actresses. Generally, I do think they're being used and depraved, unwittingly, regardless of consent, to the detriment of women generally. As for porn actors and crew, well, I suppose I should be scathing, but, oddly, I don't feel that way. I suppose it's analogous to buying some sneakers that you know have probably been made in a sweat shop - a fact which you're prepared to ignore in the interests of slipping them and feeling good. You could call it hypocritical, I suppose. Maybe male chauvinism. Maybe just brute masculinity. Who knows? (that's rhetorical, BTW!)
No offence Leif Roar (seriously), but this thread is taking up way too much of my time, so I'm going to have to be selective as to whom I debate with, and, unfortunately, I find your debating style, in the main, somewhat irrational when not literal, and slightly immature. Moreover, I honestly can't figure out whether some of your twisted interpretations and responses are genuine misunderstandings or just plain obstinacy. Either way, I don't see it changing, so I'm afraid I'm going to have to clip you - sorry. Thanks for contributing though.
As I wrote earlier, I don't think there's anything "wrong" with porn per se, from which you will deduce that I'm not entirely comfortable with it either, by which I mean I don't have great respect for porn actresses. Generally, I do think they're being used and depraved, unwittingly, regardless of consent, to the detriment of women generally. As for porn actors and crew, well, I suppose I should be scathing, but, oddly, I don't feel that way. I suppose it's analogous to buying some sneakers that you know have probably been made in a sweat shop - a fact which you're prepared to ignore in the interests of slipping them and feeling good. You could call it hypocritical, I suppose. Maybe male chauvinism. Maybe just brute masculinity. Who knows? (that's rhetorical, BTW!)
There - is that food enough for comeback?!
I see exactly what you're talking about - always have done. The key question now, though, is: what's the topic of debate? Are we going right back to the OP or picking up part way through the thread? If the latter, it's important to be absolutely clear what people (especially me!) have stated, but even more importantly, not stated.