Why truthers are dangerouse!

[carlitos]

hmm

A google search of the phrase above yielded the predictable links to the comments sections of 911blogger, infowars, etc. More dots that truthers need to connect. If they aren't dangerouse, maybe they are just lazy I guess with this copy / paste argument style.

From a recent article by D.R. Griffin:

Fish, barrel, etc.

 

[johnny karate]

Surprisingly, I'm finding jmh423's derail spamming to be somewhat on topic, if in a roundabout way.

While I don't think most Truthers offer any kind of physical threat, there is still the concern of having people walking around with such cognitive dissonance. It makes you wonder how these people function in everday life, and it becomes particularly frightening when you consider the possibilty that some of them might be in positions of authority. By way of analogy, I don't think Creationists as a group are necessarily dangerous, but I certainly shudder to think of any of them in a position to influence children.

And it is this distorted mindset that jmh423 is perfectly exemplifying with his behavior in this thread.

 

[jmh423]

Fish, barrel, etc.

That was an excellent debunk sir!! You serve your cause well.

However my point was that it seems that many of your ilk. (Official Conspiracy Believers) tend to accuse anyone who doubts the official 911 story as uneducated know nothing kooks.

I find it more believable when people such as 30yr CIA vets like Ray McGovern, or Decorated Combat Vets Like Bob Bowman and dozens of other highly respected international experts agree that the whole Osama and the 19Arabs story does not seem realistic, and that we are being lied to by those who are elected and paid to represent us. Coming from such outstanding individuals it has more impact that all of you faceless nameless "experts" with absolutely no proof of any credentials. Thanks for your continued efforts.

 

[johnny karate]

That was an excellent debunk sir!! You serve your cause well.

Interesting that you ignored the extreme debunking your previous claim suffered. It's almost as if you're a rabid ideologue who will at all costs ignore anything that contradicts your predetermined world-view.

 

[jmh423]

Surprisingly, I'm finding jmh423's derail spamming to be somewhat on topic, if in a roundabout way.

While I don't think most Truthers offer any kind of physical threat, there is still the concern of having people walking around with such cognitive dissonance. It makes you wonder how these people function in everday life, and it becomes particularly frightening when you consider the possibilty that some of them might be in positions of authority. By way of analogy, I don't think Creationists as a group are necessarily dangerous, but I certainly shudder to think of any of them in a position to influence children.

And it is this distorted mindset that jmh423 is perfectly exemplifying with his behavior in this thread.

Thank you sir for your timely response. I have a couple questions.

1) Do you also believe that Dr Griffin and those who were quoted in the excerpt I posted show signs of cognitive dissonence or were exemplifying a distorted mindset when they made their seemingly reasonable assertions? And if so what would you attribute this to when coming from seemingly credible and impressive people.

2)What if any, qualifications do you have that would make your observations and assertions regarding the 911 attacks more credible than theirs? And ergo could you be suffering from cognitive dissonence resulting in a distorted mindset?.....

Thanks

 

[twinstead]

That was an excellent debunk sir!! You serve your cause well.

However my point was that it seems that many of your ilk. (Official Conspiracy Believers) tend to accuse anyone who doubts the official 911 story as uneducated know nothing kooks.

I find it more believable when people such as 30yr CIA vets like Ray McGovern, or Decorated Combat Vets Like Bob Bowman and dozens of other highly respected international experts agree that the whole Osama and the 19Arabs story does not seem realistic, and that we are being lied to by those who are elected and paid to represent us. Coming from such outstanding individuals it has more impact that all of you faceless nameless "experts" with absolutely no proof of any credentials. Thanks for your continued efforts.

The evidence to support the "Official story" is huge and to any rational person very convincing. Claim it's faked, if you have the guts to stand up to that kind of scrutiny, but you can't claim it doesn't exist. I don't find your protests any more than simple arguments from incredulity.

Do you think that all experts from around the world who don't find any substantial fault with the "official story" are nameless with no credentials? If it's a count of "highly respected international experts" I'm afraid you lose.

 

[carlitos]

Surprisingly, I'm finding jmh423's derail spamming to be somewhat on topic, if in a roundabout way.

While I don't think most Truthers offer any kind of physical threat, there is still the concern of having people walking around with such cognitive dissonance. It makes you wonder how these people function in everday life, and it becomes particularly frightening when you consider the possibilty that some of them might be in positions of authority. By way of analogy, I don't think Creationists as a group are necessarily dangerous, but I certainly shudder to think of any of them in a position to influence children.

And it is this distorted mindset that jmh423 is perfectly exemplifying with his behavior in this thread.

I agree. I was posting in the blog comments on the BBC conspiracy page, and several times per day an article would get posted as "evidence" that "proves" inside job. For example:

• A recruitment ad from 2001 that contained both the words "thermitics" and "nano" (but not used together) for a lab in New Mexico "proves" that there was nanothermite in WTC 1 and 2.
• An army article on how to destroy vertical structures with explosives, which doesn't contain the words "vertical beam" but rather how to destroy horizontal beams "proves" that thermite can cut sideways.
• This Turner construction thing. You should see the massive leaps of logic - the dot-connecting goes to the mayor of Dallas and of course GW Bush.

1) Do you also believe that Dr Griffin and those who were quoted in the excerpt I posted show signs of cognitive dissonence or were exemplifying a distorted mindset when they made their seemingly reasonable assertions? And if so what would you attribute this to when coming from seemingly credible and impressive people.

See, this is where you go off the reservation here. DRG doesn't seem reasonable or credible to us.

1 - Read this - http://911guide.googlepages.com/ryanmackey
2 - Come back and defend Griffin

 

[Unsecured Coins]

hey, I'm a decorated combat vet too... that means everything I say should be taken seriously and with merit, JUST LIKE Bob Bowman.

 

[jmh423]

Interesting that you ignored the extreme debunking your previous claim suffered. It's almost as if you're a rabid ideologue who will at all costs ignore anything that contradicts your predetermined world-view.

Extreme debunking....that's rich...LOL....I hadn't noticed...

Thanks for the laughs champ!! Laughter really is the best medicine. I do find it encouraging that finally, after centuries of conspiratorial behavior by the elites of the world aimed against the general population that it has suddenly become neccessary to have a well organized full time citizen debunking corp to dispel these silly myths...You guys are a real hoot!! Thanks again...Stand by your keyboards men!!

 

[jmh423]

hey, I'm a decorated combat vet too... that means everything I say should be taken seriously and with merit, JUST LIKE Bob Bowman.

I don't see your name and website adress anywhere on this thread. Bowman is real and even tells people where he lives. Do you also live an an Islamic country and watch al Jezzera faithfully? You get extra points for that here on JREF....Build up that profile champy!!

You might want to re-read your Membership Agreement, especially Rule 12: “Attack the argument, not the arguer." Having your opinion, claim or argument challenged, doubted or dismissed is not attacking the arguer.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

 

[carlitos]

jmh423, you would earn a few points from me if you could explain David Ray Griffin's "qualifications" for making the following statement.

Only secret services and their current chiefs—or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations—have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude. . . . . Osama bin Laden and “Al Qaeda” cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders.

What is Dr. Griffin's experience with:
- state organizations
- secret service
- Al Qaeda
- UBL
As a retired professor of religion, I wouldn't expect him to have much contact with these things.

 

[Unsecured Coins]

You're new here so I don't expect you to do anything but sling insults.

I have posted my info in my videos. Hell, in one, I even put my phone number in one so the people that can find clues about 9/11 in The Simpsons could easily point it out, but no one did.

But here's my name -
Jaye Powers

here's my website
www.myspace.com/jayepowers

Whoops. Now you can't argue anymore.

and reported for incivility.

 

[jmh423]

jmh423, you would earn a few points from me if you could explain David Ray Griffin's "qualifications" for making the following statement.



What is Dr. Griffin's experience with:
- state organizations
- secret service
- Al Qaeda
- UBL
As a retired professor of religion, I wouldn't expect him to have much contact with these things.

Dr Griffin is a researcher of 911 who has personally interviewed several people who do have experience with:

-state organizations
-secret service
-al Queda
-UBL

His books and research rely heavily on sources with extensive experience in these fields as the little excerpt I posted clearly shows. Thanks for asking.

PS:The quote you referenced above was made by one of them, not Dr Griffin.

 

[johnny karate]

Thank you sir for your timely response. I have a couple questions.

1) Do you also believe that Dr Griffin and those who were quoted in the excerpt I posted show signs of cognitive dissonence or were exemplifying a distorted mindset when they made their seemingly reasonable assertions? And if so what would you attribute this to when coming from seemingly credible and impressive people.

First of all, you're starting from the assumption that DRG is credible and impressive, and that his claims are reasonable. I've not seen evidence for any of the above. Secondly, reasonable claims not supported by evidence cease to be reasonable. So yes, anyone spouting factually unsupported nonsense (Turner Construction, anyone?) is most definitely suffering from cognitive dissonance, or at the very least is a dishonest fraud.

2)What if any, qualifications do you have that would make your observations and assertions regarding the 911 attacks more credible than theirs? And ergo could you be suffering from cognitive dissonence resulting in a distorted mindset?.....

Well, since it's not me against them, my qualifications are entirely irrelevant. There's an enormous body of evidence that contradicts them. Besides, when a doctor tells me my stomach pain is from a tiny troll living in my large intestine, and a battery of tests from other doctors tells me it's an ulcer, I don't need a medical degree to know he's a loon.

 

[carlitos]

PS:The quote you referenced above was made by one of them, not Dr Griffin.

Well, the way you copy / paste instead of write your own words, it's a little hard to tell. So, if I interviewed the New York Yankees, I would be able to hit a baseball?

ETA - Never mind. I am off to wash my hands after reading this. Why am I not surprised that the Jews did it.

The Perfect Storm approaches as reptile leaders Netanyahoo, Barak and Peres plan out the critical false flag event that they will need to force America into attacking Iran for them, just as they did with Afghanistan and Iraq on 911.

 

[johnny karate]

Extreme debunking....that's rich...LOL....I hadn't noticed...

Thanks for the laughs champ!! Laughter really is the best medicine. I do find it encouraging that finally, after centuries of conspiratorial behavior by the elites of the world aimed against the general population that it has suddenly become neccessary to have a well organized full time citizen debunking corp to dispel these silly myths...You guys are a real hoot!! Thanks again...Stand by your keyboards men!!

...and yet no substantiative response to the information I posted.

Gee, I wonder why.

Trutherism #87: When there is no debunking: Taunt. When there is a debunking: Evade.

 

[johnny karate]

Dr Griffin is a researcher of 911 who has personally interviewed several people who do have experience with:

-state organizations
-secret service
-al Queda
-UBL

His books and research rely heavily on sources with extensive experience in these fields as the little excerpt I posted clearly shows. Thanks for asking.

... and the planet responds with a collective yawn.

You be sure and let us know when your hero's startling, earth-shattering work that just must be true has any actual real-world impact.

 

[funk de fino]

Thank you sir for your timely response. I have a couple questions.

1) Do you also believe that Dr Griffin and those who were quoted in the excerpt I posted show signs of cognitive dissonence or were exemplifying a distorted mindset when they made their seemingly reasonable assertions? And if so what would you attribute this to when coming from seemingly credible and impressive people.

Griffin is a liar and a fraud

2)What if any, qualifications do you have that would make your observations and assertions regarding the 911 attacks more credible than theirs? And ergo could you be suffering from cognitive dissonence resulting in a distorted mindset?.....

Thanks

Aircraft technician for 12 years. The stuff he posts is junk. You are a copy pasting fraud also.

 

[funk de fino]

I don't see your name and website adress anywhere on this thread. Bowman is real and even tells people where he lives. Do you also live an an Islamic country and watch al Jezzera faithfully? You get extra points for that here on JREF....Build up that profile champy!!

Bowman is deranged. You have never been to a muslim country have you?

 

[carlitos]

I am pronouncing "dangerouse" like it rhymes with "kangaroos." It's a fun word, like realistice

ETA - If you're not up for Ryan Mackey's white paper, Here is a nice link which demonstrate Griffin making every logical fallacy under the sun with his New Pearl Harbor book.