Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Let's just say if I was an atheist and read a thread where someone was able to place 1200 posts in an New Testament evidence thread, I would spend $4 dollars to get a used copy.
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BobTheDonkey said:
Wow, that's almost a good enough reason for me to read the book.

But, ya know...Pax, Joobz, and Hokulele together have nearly 2000 posts in this thread (and that's not even all of the posters on their side of the argument!).

Sorry Doc, but you can see that there are far more posts against your evidence than for it, thus I have no option but to believe what Joobz, Hok, and Pax, et al. have posited in this thread.

Pax, Joobz, Hok...any books you suggest I read?
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Anything by Bart Ehrman or the late Raymond Brown. Both of these scholars come from very strong theological backgrounds and are considered fairly centrist, so none of their conclusions are controversial in the scholarly community. Of course, fundies can't stand either of them...
 
I want to return to this point because I think it central to a thread on "evidence".

joobz said:
2.) My reason for calling slavery evil isn't simply a matter of opinion. It is a logical conclusion based upon empathy and the ability to reason. IF you were to augment my ability to reason, then you would change my ability to consider slavery evil, but that wouldn't make those arguments any less valid from a objective standpoint.
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DOC said:
So then you believe in an absolute objective morality outside the realm of the individual since if you suddenly developed a brain tumor that made you think the holocaust was not evil then that would not change the fact that the holocaust is evil.
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The bolded section was removed in DOC's reply to me. Yet it is important point and one that Hokulele had picked up on instantly:
Hokulele said:
What do the words "empathy and the ability to reason" mean to you?
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DOC, you seem to believe "reasoning" is relative to the person who is making the argument. Well perhaps you are right. I would like to hear what you believe "empathy and ability to reason" means to you.

Personally, I view that there is such a thing as objective reasoning. A thought process established upon a set of premises that necessitate a conclusion (often a single conclusion). We call this process formal logic. One may reject a conclusion based upon the premises, but if the logic is sound and the premises solid, then the conclusion must be valid. I believe that THIS is the process that allows us to obtain our moral code using empathy as a premise of that reasoning pathway.


Explain why I am wrong, if you believe I am wrong.
 
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tl;dr
 
And the forum software persecutes me, by forcing me to wait 60 seconds between posts.

More close-mindedness.
 
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It's not the number of times you repeat a word within a post that equates to truth, it's the number of times you repeat a post.

Have you learnt NOTHING from DOC!
 
Lord Emsworth said:
I think I made that quite clear in my posts here in this thread and elsewhere.
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Could you, perchance, direct me to those posts where you clarified? I feel it is unfair for you to reference a post without actually providing a direct link (I'm too lazy to search for the posts myself).
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Could you, perchance, direct me to those posts where you clarified? I feel it is unfair for you to reference a post without actually providing a direct link (I'm too lazy to search for the posts myself).
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Lazyness has never been a particularly good excuse. Next you tell us* that your dog has eaten your mousemat and that now your optical mouse doesn't move any more what with the glass surface of your desk, or something.


* us = me and an army of biblical proportions of registered and unregistered lurkers.
 
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Lord Emsworth said:
Lazyness has never been a particularly good excuse. Next you tell us that your dog has eaten your mousemat and that now your optical mouse doesn't move any more what with the glass surface of your desk, or something.
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Well, I do have a lot of posts here to respond to. So sometimes I skip over posts or don't have time to waste responding to posts to which I don't have a good answer anyway.

I have evidence somewhere around here that I'm right. Once I find it, I'll post it up for everyone and then you'll know.
 
Repetition does equal truth. For example, Obama's mantra of "CHANGE" was believed by many millions of people and repeated throughout the entire campaign. People believed it enough it won him the Presidency.
 
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