The Freeman Movement and England

[Furcifer]

Yes, according to yet another statute. Imagine that. Do you consent to be governed by that statute? And D'rok has not libeled you, in any event.

I knew that. (I learned the hard way)

 

[D'rok]

And it is patent nonsense to claim that governments, police departments and courts have no right or power to govern those who purport not to consent. Here is a just a single, simple example: a fellow who tested positive for a certain class of communicable disease refused to provide the Public Health department with the names of his sexual partners, as he was required to do by statute. I went to court and got an order requiring him to disclose the names. He refused to comply. I went back to court and got an order compelling the police to arrest him and deliver him to jail. At no time did he "consent" to be governed by the statutes; at no time did he show up in court; he insisted all along that he would not comply, that he didn't mind going to jail, and that he did not have to abide by the statutes. And yet, the day after I obtained the order, he was lawfully arrested at his home, and subsequently jailed. (For the sake of completeness, once he complied with the statutory requirement that he disclose the names so that his sexual partners could be notified and treated so as to prevent them from unwittingly spreading the disease - and he held out for about a week - I assisted in getting him out of jail in a timely manner. I'm not vindictive. I just wanted him to do the right thing.)

Bravo!

 

[Klimax]

What'd you guys think of the article I wrote about the freeman movement? Looking for as much feedback as possible.

http://www.examiner.com/x-23787-Denver-Skepticism-
Examiner~y2009m10d7-The-Freeman-on-the-Land-myth-Debunked

Have you noticed last comment?

 

[Ricomise]

If there's any doubt that these groups are still active, and, in fact enjoying a resurgence, at least here in the U.S., here's an article from the Southern Poverty Law Center (an organization that tracks and opposes extremist and hate groups):

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=1092

The current economic and social climate is fertile ground for these types of ideas to gain a foothold and to grow into more violent actions, unfortunately.

 

[Ricomise]

And, on a lighter note, check out the mid-1990s unpublished decision in this link (scroll down to the bottom of the page) :

http://www.adl.org/mwd/backrnch.asp

I have found many of the most entertaining legal decisions to read come from Federal Courts in Texas.

 

[Sunray Breaker]

Have you noticed last comment?

yes I did...She's a friend of mine that knows me as a twoofer not a skeptic. She's utterly shocked at my change of heart.

None of my twoofer buddies can believe I stopped supporting the woo that they still hold so near and dear. It's been a solid two months of dropping knowledge and debating nearly all of my twoofer friends.

But they just refuse to see it, sad but true.

 

[Klimax]

yes I did...She's a friend of mine that knows me as a twoofer not a skeptic. She's utterly shocked at my change of heart.

That I didn't know. Looks like she struggles...

None of my twoofer buddies can believe I stopped supporting the woo that they still hold so near and dear. It's been a solid two months of dropping knowledge and debating nearly all of my twoofer friends.

But they just refuse to see it, sad but true.

I see.

 

[ktesibios]

And, on a lighter note, check out the mid-1990s unpublished decision in this link (scroll down to the bottom of the page) :

http://www.adl.org/mwd/backrnch.asp

I have found many of the most entertaining legal decisions to read come from Federal Courts in Texas.

Indeed, this is truly priceless:

Begrudgingly, the Court reviewed the file, noting that the Itzes have requested expressly that the Honorable James Nowlin preside over their case. However, the Court is confident that Judge Nowlin has bribed the District Clerk, and that is the reason for the assignment to the undersigned. The Court is, unfortunately, extremely familiar with Leo Itz and Elise Itz, their many lawsuits, and their inane and irrational allegations.

(bolding mine)

 

[D'rok]

And, on a lighter note, check out the mid-1990s unpublished decision in this link (scroll down to the bottom of the page) :

http://www.adl.org/mwd/backrnch.asp

I have found many of the most entertaining legal decisions to read come from Federal Courts in Texas.

Great stuff.

The Itzes sign their pleadings "under threat, duress and coercion," and the remainder of the pleadings can be accurately described as "gobbledygook."

Someone should ask Rob to look up "gobbledygook" in his 3rd edition Black's Law Dictionary.

 

[akama1]

yes I did...She's a friend of mine that knows me as a twoofer not a skeptic. She's utterly shocked at my change of heart.

Travis, I honestly think something or someone has gotten to you. How can you go 180 degrees on 9/11 from being a truther to someone who takes the official story and now this, you have completely disavowed everything you know to be true. It's almost like you have been brainwashed all over again. I truly think something has happened to you. I wish you the best.

The section I have bolded is most telling, it's almost like she is suggesting you were brainwashed before hand . In the 2 months since your view has changed, have you tried to explain to them what caused the change, or are they refusing to listen?

 

[Fiona]

The section I have bolded is most telling, it's almost like she is suggesting you were brainwashed before hand . In the 2 months since your view has changed, have you tried to explain to them what caused the change, or are they refusing to listen?

Is it not part of the mindset that everyone except themselves is brainwashed ? it follows that Sunray Breaker was brainwashed: got free: and has now been brainwashed again. That must be particularly scary for truthers: somehow *they* can *reprogramme* even those who have seen the truth. No-one is safe!!

 

[jimbob]

Is it not part of the mindset that everyone except themselves is brainwashed ? it follows that Sunray Breaker was brainwashed: got free: and has now been brainwashed again. That must be particularly scary for truthers: somehow *they* can *reprogramme* even those who have seen the truth. No-one is safe!!

Thanks to GreyNME for this:

_{note to mods: XKCD explicitly gives permission to hotlink its comics, and provides the hotlink address at the bottom of each comic page. No breach of rules going on here.}

And if you hover the mouse over that image on the XKCD webpage this is what you see:

"Hey, what are the odds -- five Ayn Rand fans on the same train! Must be going to a convention." alt="Sheeple"

 

[Sunray Breaker]

The section I have bolded is most telling, it's almost like she is suggesting you were brainwashed before hand . In the 2 months since your view has changed, have you tried to explain to them what caused the change, or are they refusing to listen?

That's exactly the problem. I encourage them to read the comission report, to look into the scientific and forensic evidence, to think more realistically. I've had three twoofer friends in the last two months ask me if I was "okay" or needed some serious psychiatric help. I would consider it a joke if they didn't come off as so serious.

I try to explain to them how impossible, illogical and rediculous these theories are when placed under scrutiny. They could look at the bold, undeniable truth and still manage to circumnavigate around it.

All it really took for me were a couple of debates between truthers and actual experts to establish which side was completely full of schmidt.

 

[dafydd]

Hi there Agatha,

Thanks for the most sensible question so far on this thread.

In answer to your question -

'What exactly is it that you are intending to achieve' ?

My answer is simple. The people of England deserve their freedom from the tyranny of government that is no government.

The people of England obey the law of England. That is, the Common Law. They are NOT unlawful. In fact, they obey the law. That's fact number 1 about the Freeman movement. In England, in the USA, in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and many other parts of the world. Take close note of it please.

But, between them and the law is a fake system. A counterfeit. Just like the dollar bills they print by the billion. You have one in the USA also. It's called 'government' and it bills you whether you like it or not. It can even shut down your own Constitution and can do what it likes in Congress. It can tax you against your own Constitution. It can make you pay for its own system. It can trash your Constitution before you are even aware of it. The lunatics took over the political system a long, long time ago. And they are still doing it. Heard of Congress ?

There is nothing ahead except slavery if we reject the foundations of the law on which our nations were built. And no corrupt regime, no corrupt corporated judges, lawyers, bankers, and politicians should rob us of our basic rights. Enshrined within our own Constitutions. Why not pull out the plug on the corporate news channels ?

The Common Law.

Have you seen the Youtube of John Quade on 'Common Law' yet ? It should really make you think.

Selfishness has brought us to a crisis. There is no future except to reject fake government and the illegal robbery of your own rights.

As for 'rhetoric' why not find out the difference between Statutes and the Common Law. Do at least this. As a favour to yourself. You can then see if its rhetoric or not. Because one thing is sure - you have not examined these things, have you ?

'You say you want a revolution,we'd all love to see the plan........' John Lennon

 

[dafydd]

Yes, this thread just gets better. Your Pavlovian servitude is really wonderful. And you pay it all. Because you never stopped to give your consent, did you ?

We get the government we deserve. Because we choose to remain ignorant.

Who's we? You must cease with these sweeping generalisations,they only make you look even more foolish.

 

[dafydd]

I evade none. They are all consented to or declined by me personally.

How many times have you had the bailliffs at your door?

 

[dafydd]

I've dodged nothing.

I consent to pay certain bills and not to pay others. I am under the law. And you pay them all anyway.

Do you drive an uninsured car?

 

[LashL]

Hmm. Self-proclaimed FOTLers don't seem to last long around here. It appears that they post a lot of fluff and nonsense and then run away when rationality and reality smack them upside the head.

Just an observation.

 

[RHolmes]

Hmm. Self-proclaimed FOTLers don't seem to last long around here. It appears that they post a lot of fluff and nonsense and then run away when rationality and reality smack them upside the head.

Just an observation.

To be fair, I think Rob is a man in demand. His knowledge of the law may be totally pseudo, but a lot of people love him and see him as a guru, so he may just be busy. Still, there's a lot of unanswered questions awaiting him here. And rebuttals for him to address.

Always aiming to put the most charitable interpretation on these things, I am...

 

[Sunray Breaker]

Someone needs to challenge Menard to a on air debate...And while your at it, get Mary Elizabeth Croft and Winston Shrout to represent the American FTOL. I'm thinkin' D'rok and LightinDarkness could handle it, unless there's better qualified folks you have in mind.