9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[marksman]

Unless you can show where I said that evidence is irrlelevant, then you just produced a shining clear straw man.

Well, here's the exchange:

At what point do you leave the investigative phase and begin to examine the evidence?

Never. Me be doooofus.

Please note I then noted that you're statement is "likely tongue-in-cheek", so I was assuming you didn't actually mean to seriously contend that evidence should never be examined. However, it also means you didn't answer the question. Care to do so seriously?

 

[dudalb]

Well, here's the exchange:
Please note I then noted that you're statement is "likely tongue-in-cheek", so I was assuming you didn't actually mean to seriously contend that evidence should never be examined. However, it also means you didn't answer the question. Care to do so seriously?

Dont' hold your breath. We have another "Brave,Daring, Anti Establishment Contrarian" here.
And his garden variety Anti Americanism is pretty pathetic.

 

[Thomas]

Dont' hold your breath. We have another "Brave,Daring, Anti Establishment Contrarian" here.
And his garden variety Anti Americanism is pretty pathetic.

But none the less true, unlike your assertions.. And hey, even if your assertions were true, then it would still be second worse to being a blind follower.. You don't die for countries, you die for a man's wallet. And he's not the one on the front anymore. Tribal, primitive and truly "pathetic"

 

[lionking]

But none the less true, unlike your assertions.. And hey, even if your assertions were true, then it would still be second worse to being a blind follower.. You don't die for countries, you die for a man's wallet. And he's not the one on the front anymore. Tribal, primitive and truly "pathetic"

Any chance of posting on topic? I mean we are all waiting for your further support of 9/11 Investigator.

 

[Thomas]

Any chance of posting on topic? I mean we are all waiting for your further support of 9/11 Investigator.

He's a nationalist, and I find it hard to support nationalism, if that didn't sink in the first three times.. Are we a little bit on the slow side, lion... king?

 

[Amazer]

He's a nationalist, and I find it hard to support nationalism, if that didn't sink in the first three times.. Are we a little bit on the slow side, lion... king?

As the saying goes, action speak louder then words. And your actions here in this thread strongly hint that you share 9/11 Investigators outlook. Perhaps that isn't your intention, but that is how it comes across.

 

[Thomas]

Well, I find it most likely that holocaust has been exaggerated in order to raise Israel, and this from the fact that winners very often exaggerate the evil doings of the losers in order to make the slaughter more humane. Israel is an Euro/American outpost in the middle east. And all the jew-whining movies that we're almost force feed, doesn't make it seem less likely.

It's quite legal to be in doubt, but not on this "skeptics" forum.. Doubt is the core of skepticism, not the patroitism demonstrated on this board again and again. A lot of people in here should call themselves patriots instead of skeptics. Pyrrho, the first philosopher of skepticism, would turn in his grave if he knew that people in here call themselves skeptics. It's a parody.

 

[Amazer]

Well, I find it most likely that holocaust has been exaggerated in order to raise Israel, and this from the fact that winners very often exaggerate the evil doings of the losers in order to make the slaughter more humane.Israel is an Euro/American outpost in the middle east. And all the jew-whining movies that we're almost force feed, doesn't make it seem less likely.

It's the highlighted statement that shows which side of the fence your on.

It's quite legal to be in doubt, but not on this "skeptics" forum.. Doubt is the core of skepticism, not the patroitism demonstrated on this board again and again. A lot of people in here should call themselves patriots instead of skeptics. Pyrrho, the first philosopher of skepticism, would turn in his grave if he knew that people in here call themselves skeptics. It's a parody.

It would help your case if you could provide us with a reason (and evidence) for your doubts. Doubt for the sake of doubt, without a underlying reason (and some evidence) is next to useless.

 

[Simon39759]

Well, I find it most likely that holocaust has been exaggerated in order to raise Israel, and this from the fact that winners very often exaggerate the evil doings of the losers in order to make the slaughter more humane. Israel is an Euro/American outpost in the middle east. And all the jew-whining movies that we're almost force feed, doesn't make it seem less likely.

It's quite legal to be in doubt, but not on this "skeptics" forum.. Doubt is the core of skepticism, not the patroitism demonstrated on this board again and again. A lot of people in here should call themselves patriots instead of skeptics. Pyrrho, the first philosopher of skepticism, would turn in his grave if he knew that people in here call themselves skeptics. It's a parody.

Well; doubt is all fair and good.
But, after a point, once has to admit where the incredibly overwhelming amount of evidences are leading. We have, after all, the confession of many of the murderers, the eye-witnesses' accounts of the victims, the deportation papers, the actual sites, a host of photographic evidences and the disappearance of many thousands of victims from the surface of the earth.

At this point, doubting seems to require a lot of effort, and it is quite legitimate to conclude that the 'doubter' position has less to do with honest doubt and more with ideologically motivated denial.

 

[lionking]

Well; doubt is all fair and good.
But, after a point, once has to admit where the incredibly overwhelming amount of evidences are leading. We have, after all, the confession of many of the murderers, the eye-witnesses' accounts of the victims, the deportation papers, the actual sites, a host of photographic evidences and the disappearance of many thousands of victims from the surface of the earth.

At this point, doubting seems to require a lot of effort, and it is quite legitimate to conclude that the 'doubter' position has less to do with honest doubt and more with ideologically motivated denial.

Well said. And I will add that holding the "opinion" that the holocaust was exaggerated against available evidence is holocaust denial by definition.

 

[Thomas]

Lies, exaggerations, propaganda.. All an accepted part of warfare.. Don't be so naive and innocent in the ways of this world.. Go study some history and call me what you want.

 

[lionking]

"Naive and innocent"? Hilarious.

So we have established you are a Holocaust Denier. Good. Wear that badge proudly.

 

[Amazer]

Lies, exaggerations, propaganda.. All an accepted part of warfare.. Don't be so naive and innocent in the ways of this world.. Go study some history and call me what you want.

More talk and no evidence to back up your claims... Try a little harder and put in a little more effort to present your case.

 

[9/11-investigator]

A few days ago I watched the film Katyn.

It's sad but impressive film, with extremely brutal scenes at the end.

It's about the systematic killing of 22,000 members of the Polish elite by the Soviets.
The idea for this execution originated from Lavrentin Beria. I am sure dudalb can inform us about his ethnic identity. Hint: he had no Norwegian background. The massacre was another implementation of the principle tob shebbe goytim harog [ Kill the best gentiles ].

Here is the document that ordered the massacre:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Katyn_-_decision_of_massacre_p1.jpg

As so often the crime was blamed on the Germans and this belief remained in force until one of the very few honourable politicians, Gorbatchov, admitted that the killings had been carried out by the Soviets.

What is interesting here is the notion that the victors write history. It was forbidden in Poland after the war to speak the truth about the killings, although many people knew the truth. They even went so far to destroy tombstones that carried the proper date: 1940.

That situation resembles the situation today regarding the holocaust. Have the wrong opinion and you go to jail.

But the other lesson is that the truth always prevails in the end.

 

[Simon39759]

Lies, exaggerations, propaganda.. All an accepted part of warfare.. Don't be so naive and innocent in the ways of this world.. Go study some history and call me what you want.

Maybe.
But, you are aware that the war has been over for 60 years? And that half of Germany has been the allied to the U.S for most of this time?

The time of propaganda has come and gone a long time ago and has been replaced by objective scholarly research for many decades now. And, far for contesting the reality of the Holocausts, this scholarly research has been bringing new evidences to light and refining our understanding of the events since then.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Brand new documentary about the alledged German war guilt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwvKbEMMcTw

(10 parts, German spoken). Although this documentary only scratches the surface (there is no mentioning of the Jews let alone the holocaust), nevertheless this version of history is much more realistic and will replace the current one in the coming years. No doubt a version with English subtitles will become available soon.

 

[9/11-investigator]

And that half of Germany has been the allied to the U.S for most of this time?

Subjugated is a more accurate term. Although the grip is loosening lately.

... this scholarly research has been bringing new evidences to light and refining our understanding of the events since then.

Understatement of the century.

http://www.ihr.org/main/search.shtml

 

[Amazer]

Subjugated is a more accurate term. Although the grip is loosening lately.

You live in the most frightening/weird alternative reality I can imagine.

 

[9/11-investigator]

This MSM article proves that the holocaust is not just an historic event, it is a political juggernaut with which you can transform societies.

Regardless whether the holocaust happened or not, the British Nationalist Party has nothing to do with it. The BNP wants to keep Britain British, like it unproblematically was for centuries. But now that idea is demonized using the holocaust as a bludgeon.

Holocaust survivors will confront BNP on Question Time

We Europeans in either Europe or America should understand that if we don't confront the holocaust head on we will be crushed by it. This is not just an academic discussion, it's about our survival.

 

[Uzzy]

There's a surprise, the Nazi supports the BNP. I actually think it's a good thing they are getting some public recognition, purely as it allows their sick and warped world view to be seen for the nonsense it is. I know I'll be tuning in, and hope for a civilised debate which will inevitable destroy the BNP position.