Why truthers are dangerouse!

[Par]

Tell that to your logic teacher.

Your "logic" appears to have overlooked this.

You put logic in sneer quotes. If you think something’s logically wrong with it, then be specific about where.

If we forget about defining "truther" for the moment, the premise that Sylvan8798's statement: "Tell that to the families of Richard Poplawski's victim's in Pittsburgh, and James von Brunn's victim's in Washington, JJ", supports would be something like "Two Truthers are dangerous", not "Truthers are dangerous".

I think we have our wires crossed. You sneered at my logic. I asked you to be specific about what is wrong with my logic, rather than what is wrong with Sylvan8798's remarks.

 

[JihadJane]

I think we have our wires crossed. You sneered at my logic. I asked you to be specific about what is wrong with my logic, rather than what is wrong with Sylvan8798's remarks.

There would be nothing wrong with it if it didn't relate to Sylvan8798's remarks or the real world.

 

[Par]

There would be nothing wrong with it if it didn't relate to Sylvan8798's remarks or the real world.

Erm. Well, that’s not all that precise. In fact, I just don't know what you mean. If I’ve made a logical mistake – which is of course possible – I’d like to know about it. So, can you be specific about what I get wrong?

 

[Dave Rogers]

The NIST reports did not change the already established Bush-talking-heads narrative.

And yet many in the truth movement make a great deal of the fact that the NIST reports contradicted the FEMA report, which also did not change the established narrative. Could it be that looking for trifling apparent anomalies isn't the best way to falsify a hypothesis?

Dave

 

[W.D.Clinger]

With apologies to Par for explaining this to JJ...

There would be nothing wrong with it if it didn't relate to Sylvan8798's remarks or the real world.

Your mistake lay in thinking that the negation of "Truthers are dangerous" would be "Truthers aren't dangerous." Had you logic-fu, you'd have said "Not all truthers are dangerous" (or, if you were indeed using "truthers" as a collective noun, something like "Truthers are no more dangerous than truckers").

Your mistake is common in informal conversation. Had you not made a bogus objection to another poster's logic, Par might not have called you on it.

Will

 

[johnny karate]

Rubbish, the Bush talking heads came up with their narrative on the same day as the attacks.

The NIST reports did not change the already established Bush-talking-heads narrative.

Citation, please.

 

[jmh423]

......they espouse the idiotic notion that three skyscrapers were brought down by explosives in front of thousands of people who happened not to notice.

This is a ridiculously false statement.......Many people who were on site including several journalists, network newsmen, firemen, and police officers reported that they witnessed evidence of explosives in all three WTC buildings, and many more who were in a position to "notice" were blown to bits. Tiny fragments of their bones were found on rooftops several hundred yards away from the buildings....Why would anyone assert something this absurd? Sadly, this is all too typical of the hordes of government defenders and apologists who infest this website. You and yours are a bad joke....Critical thinkers...LOL

 

[R.Mackey]

No, they didn't. Practically everything you wrote there is nonsense.

 

[Baylor]

This is a ridiculously false statement.......Many people who were on site including several journalists, network newsmen, firemen, and police officers reported that they witnessed evidence of explosives in all three WTC buildings, and many more who were in a position to "notice" were blown to bits.

Notice how your reply has nothing to do with Johnny Karate's statement. Johnny Karate was specific while your claim was a meaningless statement "they witnessed evidence of explosives". I bet they did "witness evidence of explosives." Look at 1:23, "evidence of explosives"

 

[jmh423]

Enter: "Meet Jerome Hauer 911 Suspect Awaiting Indictment"....into any search engine...This guy looks real good for 3000 counts of conspiracy to commit murder..And as far as phony talking heads immediately after the attack, go to youtube and enter...."The 9-11 Solution -How the myth was sold-"
Watch the agents and propaganda mouthpieces recite their prepared script. It is almost funny how contrived these phonies are....911 truthers are dangerous to the perpetrators of this obvious false flag attack.... The Bush's, Cheney, Olmert, Netanyahu, Zakheim, Perle, Feith, The Bin Laden Brothers, and many others...Hopefully soon they will all be held to answer.

 

[R.Mackey]

... Olmert? Netanyahu? Zakheim?

I assume you're referring to this. You should look up this neo-Nazi named Magz, I'm sure you two will get along famously.

Alone.

/ignore

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

This is a ridiculously false statement.......Many people who were on site including several journalists, network newsmen, firemen, and police officers reported that they witnessed evidence of explosives in all three WTC buildings, and many more who were in a position to "notice" were blown to bits. Tiny fragments of their bones were found on rooftops several hundred yards away from the buildings....Why would anyone assert something this absurd? Sadly, this is all too typical of the hordes of government defenders and apologists who infest this website. You and yours are a bad joke....Critical thinkers...LOL

They didn't witness seeing "explosions" they heard what were explosions.

Hearing and seeing it is different subjects.

I could say that a car that backfires sounded like a gun shot. But was it really a gun shot that I heard or just a car backfiring?

If I claim that it was a gun shot and not a car, then what type of evidence do I have to prove that the people in the car held a gun and fired off a round?

I wouldn't have any type of evidence if the people in the car had no gun. Therefore it wouldn't be a gun shot that I heard. But a car that backfired.

You Truthers get so mixed up, it's just unbelievable.

"But they heard explosions so it must be explosives."

FAT CHANCE!

 

[jmh423]

If you watch the Alex Jones 7-25-01 broadcast (On Youtube), you will see that he talks of WTC, Bin Laden, terror attack staged by traitors in the US government and blamed on Bin Laden over a month before the attack...He was just drawing the same conclusion that any reasonable person would after reading the PNAC docs, Israeli thinktank documents (Securing The Realm For Israel) written by soon to be traitors who oozed into the Bush Whitehouse and pentagon after the fraudulant 2000 election (Perle, Feith et al) and other US government docs regarding martial law, expanding executive power etc..The neoCONS needed this false flag attack to get their long sought phony "war on terror"....Also Cheney who probably couldn't fly a kite took the unprecidented step of taking control of some integral USAF ops in June of 01. Jones proved to be right on target!

Now bring on the ratpack swarm technique that the old JREF critical thinkers site is so famous for....LOL

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

If you watch the Alex Jones 7-25-01 broadcast (On Youtube), you will see that he talks of WTC, Bin Laden, terror attack staged by traitors in the US government and blamed on Bin Laden over a month before the attack...He was just drawing the same conclusion that any reasonable person would after reading the PNAC docs, Israeli thinktank documents (Securing The Realm For Israel) written by soon to be traitors who oozed into the Bush Whitehouse and pentagon after the fraudulant 2000 election (Perle, Feith et al) and other US government docs regarding martial law, expanding executive power etc..The neoCONS needed this false flag attack to get their long sought phony "war on terror"....Also Cheney who probably couldn't fly a kite took the unprecidented step of taking control of some integral USAF ops in June of 01. Jones proved to be right on target!

Now bring on the ratpack swarm technique that the old JREF critical thinkers site is so famous for....LOL

Traitors? I think you need to go look in the mirror and say that.

NeoCons and false flag? Whoa! Got sources and evidence there pal?

"Now bring on the ratpack swarm technique that the old JREF critical thinkers site is so famous for"

Whoa, whoa, whoa there Charlie! Slow down before you hurt yourself! You're going a mile a minute!

Yeah, yeah, yeah! When are you going to get to the point?

 

[jmh423]

... Olmert? Netanyahu? Zakheim?

I assume you're referring to this. You should look up this neo-Nazi named Magz, I'm sure you two will get along famously.

Alone.

/ignore

I notice that you were very offended that I accused Olmert, Netanyahu and Zakheim...(All Jews)...I also included the Bush's (Protestants) and their buddies the Bin Ladens (Sunni Muslims)...and Cheney (a satanic atheist ghoul)..Why on earth would you bring in the old anti-semite crap? Are you suggesting that Jews are above criminal behavior and that asserting otherwise makes me a nazi? What a tool!! There are very bad people of all races and religious backgrounds champ. Ever heard of Abe Reles/Kid Twist...Look him up. LOL

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

If you watch the Alex Jones 7-25-01 broadcast (On Youtube), you will see that he talks of WTC, Bin Laden, terror attack staged by traitors in the US government and blamed on Bin Laden over a month before the attack.

I know for sure that Alex Jones had the date changed on his camcorder. Anyone can change a date on a camcorder to any date they want. Alex Jones did just that! Anyone believeing him is just stupid to play along with him.

 

[jmh423]

I know for sure that Alex Jones had the date changed on his camcorder. Anyone can change a date on a camcorder to any date they want. Alex Jones did just that! Anyone believeing him is just stupid to play along with him.

That is priceless!! You are asserting that the July 25th broadcast never happened...I see..All of his shows are archived sport. But this is really bold even for JREFers...Thanks for the comic relief champy...You are a real hoot!!

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

That is priceless!! You are asserting that the July 25th broadcast never happened...I see..All of his shows are archived sport. But this is really bold even for JREFers...Thanks for the comic relief champy...You are a real hoot!!

Oh it happened alright, AFTER 9/11 happened.

I wouldn't doubt that they're archived, but the first 1 he made is suspious and dubious.

Bold for JREFers? Not Really! Just common sense on how camcorders work.

You know what common sense is, right? Or don't you know?

I might be a hoot, but still you're wrong.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

This is a ridiculously false statement.......Many people who were on site including several journalists, network newsmen, firemen, and police officers reported that they witnessed evidence of explosives in all three WTC buildings, and many more who were in a position to "notice" were blown to bits. Tiny fragments of their bones were found on rooftops several hundred yards away from the buildings....Why would anyone assert something this absurd? Sadly, this is all too typical of the hordes of government defenders and apologists who infest this website. You and yours are a bad joke....Critical thinkers...LOL

Produce those peoples statements then. Do not include similes or metaphors. Place them in context as to when they heard the "Explosives" in relationship to the seconds before the collapses. Nobody here is saying that things didn't explode because we all realize that there are many common items found in almost all office buildings that don't react well to a common class A fire much less a combined class A and B fire.

As far as the tiny bone fragments go it's not too hard to picture how a human body in the huge people blender/wood chipper (I apologize for using so blunt of a comparison to everyone else reading this but that's the closest analogy I can come up with) that was the collapse of the towers could then carry small bone fragments inside the dust clouds onto the tops of the closest surrounding buildings that are less than half the height of the towers themselves. Your incredibility to understand this is not evidence of anything other than your inability to understand the magnitude of the amount of energy released in the 15-20+ seconds of the collapses.

The lack of critical thinking is yours for stopping at your predetermined conclusions and not exploring further to see if there are any holes in your conclusions. True critical thinkers look through many lenses and angles with as blind an eye as they can muster to find a logical fault with their conclusions and then modify as needed.

I knew that the entire controlled demolition argument was impossible because there is no conventional explosive chain (burster/booster/warhead) that could withstand having an airliner crash into it without it being heavily armored and that the armoring alone would be clearly obvious to even the most casual observer. This applies to any sort of incindiary as well as any sort of explosive. The initiation device is always susceptible to premature detonation from both shock and heat and it has to be in contact with whatever it was meant to ignite.

I can understand "Just asking questions", I have friends to this day that are still clueless on the subject other than the buildings collapsed because an airliner hit them, but I don't tolerate those online that don't accept reasonable explanations (I keep smart company though so so far I haven't I haven't had to slap them with reality).

 

[jmh423]

Oh it happened alright, AFTER 9/11 happened.

I wouldn't doubt that they're archived, but the first 1 he made is suspious and dubious.

Bold for JREFers? Not Really! Just common sense on how camcorders work.

You know what common sense is, right? Or don't you know?

I might be a hoot, but still you're wrong.

One problem with your idiotic, yet funny assertion is that Jones has millions of listeners many of whom heard the original broadcast on July 25th 2001. I was among them. The fact that this broadcast was made on 7-25-01 isn't in dispute, except in the mind of a crackpot liar like you. You said that you know for a FACT that Jones changed the date on his camcorder. Do you have anything to back up that assertion? Or are you just pulling this out of your .....? Well wait...you know how camcorders work, so it must be true...LOL....Keep digging sport..