Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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MervinFerd said:
See my post directly above quoting the current law as posted on this board. If I read the statute correctly (never a certainty) the new provisions are retroactive, so the issue is moot as regards Obama.

I still do not think the article is on point. It refers to a US citizen born outside the US and not living in the US, or raising the child in the US. Surely, an unusual situation and not one where American Citizenship is an obvious right.
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It's giving that as one example. It's not "about" that instance.
 
Yoink said:
It's giving that as one example. It's not "about" that instance.
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Statelessness happens.

I am just doubtful that it happens (or happened in 1962) to the child of a US resident citizen who went into premature labor abroad and immediately brought the infant home. It's a common enough occurrence that the political or legal system would respond.

To understand the legal situation in 1962, we would need to read the entire statute plus the agency regulations and relevant court decisions. Not just a single provision of the law replicated over the Internets.

I am most certainly not up for that effort, so I'll wait for the opinion of someone who actually knows what he is talking about. In the meantime, a little skeptical Common Sense will keep us somewhere near reality.
 
MervinFerd said:
Statelessness happens.

I am just doubtful that it happens (or happened in 1962) to the child of a US resident citizen who went into premature labor abroad and immediately brought the infant home.
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1962 being one year after the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness, I tend to agree with you.
 
parky76 said:
Orly Taitz is a very ugly, obnoxious, and stupid woman.
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I actually watched her for a few minutes on a TV show last night being interviewed by the Joy lady from The View. It was like seeing a dog trying to chew off its own tail. :bwall
 
Paulhoff said:
My Pennsylvania "Certification of Birth" has nothing about a live birth.

Paul

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I'll go ya one better. My New Jersey birth certificate (obtained in 1999, when I moved to CA and had to get a new driver's license) not only says nothing about a live birth, it doesn't include the word "birth" at all.

Apparently I wasn't actually born- I must have been decanted, just like Brave New World.

Now to find the rest of my Bokanovsky group and organize a picnic.
 
Looks like my prediction of an eventual contempt of court charge might come true.

Seriously pissing off a judge is just a bad idea. Flouting your pissing off a judge is just looney.
 
dudalb said:
Actually we got a pretty good taste of that with the epic fail of the NYCCAN Intiative in court last week.
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I am not sure which is better. When wacky CTs are laughed out of court because of their stupidity..or when they are politely tossed out of court after a several hour legalize tongue lashing.
 
Unfortunately, ignorant loudmouth wackjob is currently a more lucrative career
than dentist, lawyer, or Governor of Alaska.

Maybe FOX news will throw her a bone and employ her to suck up Glen Beck's tears with one of those spit straws.
 
CptColumbo said:
When I was applying for a US passport in the mid-80s I had to go to the county seat where I was born, the clerk would go in back and come out with a photocopy of my "certificate of live birth" (IIRC I was not allowed to see the original) then a notary would stamp it to certify that it was an actual copy. This certificate the usual information (birthdate/sex/weight/etc). It also had my parents names and places of birth and age, the hospital where I was born (which doesn't exist anymore), and the doctor's signature.

When I re-applied for one two years ago (my old one had expired and I couldn't find it) I received a printout that certified one was there and it was stamped. None of the additional information was present and I got a US passport.


If the "birther" movement wants to convince me that President Obama was not born in the US they have to porduce more evidence then they have. Provide documentation that contradicts that his mother was in Hawaii at the time (flight records, boat tickets, ETC). The same holds for those that doubt he went to the schools that have records of him being there. He had to be someplace if he wasn't at Occidental. Produce a lease on an appartment or employment records. The opposition has already produced all that is needed to prove he was born in Hawaii. Rather just sitting around saying that the COLB isn't good enough and if this issue is as important as you believe it is and you love your country, doing some work would seem a reasonable request.
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Just the logistics of TRAVELLING to Kenya from Hawaii at that time make it questionable. You are indeed right to ask for more proof that any such travel took place. Those who doubt our President was born in Hawaii are the ones who have to prove this, not Obama.

I'm sorry, it simply all smacks of either paranoia, racism, or both. Like him or hate him, he was born in Hawaii. Using the arguments of those who doubt this, you'd disqualify me from the precidency, and be able to eliminate a good many folks you MIGHT like.

I'm really not sure what folks who don't get this want beyond the possible. His truncated birth certificate has been signed off for by a REPUBLICAN governor and sec. of state.

This left-right thing is WAY WAY WAY out of hand!!!!!!!!!!! You extremists have lost your bloody minds! There'll be no USA IF WE KEEP THIS CRAP UP!!!!!!!!
 
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For those interested, there is a related thread running over in the Social Issues and Current Events sub-forum, which has some pretty good info and lots of links and documents and such.

It is located here.
 
When I joined the Navy it was discovered that I don't have a birth certificate.

The one copy we had was destroyed in a fire and somehow the original cannot be located.

I'm a non-entity.
 
In the US for people that were issued a SSN that isn't a problem. My guardian got a "certified copy" of a "birth certificate" by appealing to the SS office - although the document he has is a print of a microfiche. The town he was born in burnt - completely - to the ground and the only record of his birth certificate at all was the microfiche in the SS office from when he applied for an SSN (he's old, from back when kids got them in 6th grade ).
It got him a passport so we got to go to Rome, so all is good :D.
 
Alareth said:
When I joined the Navy it was discovered that I don't have a birth certificate.

The one copy we had was destroyed in a fire and somehow the original cannot be located.

I'm a non-entity.
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Better not run for office or you will be a "traitor."

LissaLysikan said:
In the US for people that were issued a SSN that isn't a problem. My guardian got a "certified copy" of a "birth certificate" by appealing to the SS office - although the document he has is a print of a microfiche. The town he was born in burnt - completely - to the ground and the only record of his birth certificate at all was the microfiche in the SS office from when he applied for an SSN (he's old, from back when kids got them in 6th grade ).
It got him a passport so we got to go to Rome, so all is good :D.
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Rome! You lucky *****!
 
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