UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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...but critically NO evidence that blimps EVER flew near Rogue River...
Yet there is a very famous Blimp Base active at that time within easy range of Rouge River and another one in Santa Ana California and the flight path between the two bases goes DIRECTLY over the sighting area.

Infact even more relevantly, if you plot on Google Earth the exact (as stated by all the witnessess) position they were in and their reported viewing angles and directions, it is possible to draw an exact line Due South from Tillamook to the estimated position first mentioned by the Group in the boat. Then as they state it turns to head South East before it goes out of sight. Plot another position for the "out of sight" direction and make a straight line, it goes directly to Santa Ana.

Remembering that the group were in a fishing boat on a river which is set in a valley, if a blimp were passing over the valley (to the North East of them) it would be visible for a few minutes if traveling at 50 MPH. Certainly anything like the "speed of a jet" would have left only seconds to view it.
 
And as if the point need further demonstrating... Are you (Rramjet) saying that the drawing of the object does not in any way resemble the blimp?

Blimp.jpg

In case anyone missed this, above Stray Cat has positioned a drawing by one of the Rogue River eyewitnesses of the "UFO" over a photograph of an actual blimp.

This raises a number of immediate questions:

1. How can the object continue to be labeled "unknown" when an eyewitness has drawn a clear and evident picture of a blimp, a known and extant dirigible, and included known blimp details such as "wrinkles in the tail" in their testimony?

2. How can eyewitness testimony continue to be taken at face value, as though it is not in dispute and not open to human error, when the "precise drawings" made by Rogue River eyewitnesses are so radically different (at least one being round, while the above is clearly cylindrical or oblong) from one another? And moreover, when such testimony is known and documented to be subject to error time and time again? (qv a video of a case study at: http://www.onlineclassroom.tv/psych...y_critical_issues/eyewitness_testimony#header ; psychological analysis here: http://www.simplypsychology.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/eyewitness-testimony.html ; and overview of legalities and scientific value here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence [sample quote: Anecdotal evidence is often unscientific or pseudoscientific because various forms of cognitive bias may affect the collection or presentation of evidence. For instance, someone who claims to have had an encounter with a supernatural being or alien may present a very vivid story, but this is not falsifiable. This phenomenon can also happen to large groups of people through subjective validation..

3. Why would anyone believe that a known and extant dirigible such as a blimp, the proximity of a hangar for which there is ample and irrefutable evidence near the site under discussion, is an equally plausible explanation for the sighting as an alien craft, for which we have no physical, unambiguous, non-hoaxable evidence whatsoever?

4. Why do UFO proponents with no professional degrees or published scientific papers believe that their thought processes and methodologies are superior to trained professional scientists?
 
cool, so it was a blimp then
thats what I thought too
:D

I'd be careful not to forget the 'probably" in your first sentence, we don't need to get the whole "Sceptics think it could be a blimp there for it IS a blimp" thing going again...
 
The Kelley/Hopkinsville incident lacks any good evidence. Once again its all anecdotal. Problems I have with this family's account:
- Why would advanced aliens spent their night creeping out a family?
- Where is all the physical evidence the aliens would have left behind? (footprints/bullet fragments/radiation from landing area)
-Why wouldn't any of the aliens make any noise, or communicate with each other?
-Why would they leave their ship over in a gully?
-Why didn't anyone see their ship take off again?
-How are they able to "float"?
 
The Kelley/Hopkinsville incident lacks any good evidence. Once again its all anecdotal. Problems I have with this family's account:
- Why would advanced aliens spent their night creeping out a family?
- Where is all the physical evidence the aliens would have left behind? (footprints/bullet fragments/radiation from landing area)
-Why wouldn't any of the aliens make any noise, or communicate with each other?
-Why would they leave their ship over in a gully?
-Why didn't anyone see their ship take off again?
-How are they able to "float"?

I recall seeing this one on some alien show. The responding officer was interviewed for the show and said that they were drunk.
 
3. Why would anyone believe that a known and extant dirigible such as a blimp, the proximity of a hangar for which there is ample and irrefutable evidence near the site under discussion, is an equally plausible explanation for the sighting as an alien craft, for which we have no physical, unambiguous, non-hoaxable evidence whatsoever?


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I'd be careful not to forget the 'probably" in your first sentence, we don't need to get the whole "Sceptics think it could be a blimp there for it IS a blimp" thing going again...


Oh come on, StevenCalder, you know better than that. It'll come up again anyway. :p
 
I'd be careful not to forget the 'probably" in your first sentence, we don't need to get the whole "Sceptics think it could be a blimp there for it IS a blimp" thing going again...

cool, so it was "probably" a blimp then
thats what I thought "most likely" too
:p
 
cool, so it was "probably" a blimp then
thats what I thought "most likely" too
:p

I saw a big yellow vehicle carrying some human children this morning! It had red flashing lights on it whenever it stopped and it forced human occupied cars to stop when it did! It was about 35-40 feet long and taller than I was but moving slowly along our streets towards a school!

I make no claims about it being a Denebian child slave vessel but what do you dabunkers say it is?
 
I saw a big yellow vehicle carrying some human children this morning! It had red flashing lights on it whenever it stopped and it forced human occupied cars to stop when it did! It was about 35-40 feet long and taller than I was but moving slowly along our streets towards a school!

I make no claims about it being a Denebian child slave vessel but what do you dabunkers say it is?

yellow submarine, probably definitely
:D
 
Surely the object seen was a banana? It's yellow, so it must be. We can conviently ignore all the other evidence because it doesn't fit with my theory.
Can I add this to my sig? It seems appropriate and it's made of win.

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:D By all means.
 
Surely the object seen was a banana? It's yellow, so it must be. We can conviently ignore all the other evidence because it doesn't fit with my theory.


:D By all means.

but a banana is not the right size, perhaps the witness was subject to some optical illusion which made it seem bigger than it was

no wait, what about the children, could they fit on a banana

ok we have a problem
what looks like a banana but is big enough to accomodate several small children

the Air Force will deny everything, lets ask the navy
i'll get back to you,
;)
 
If this thread goes to the next page because of you mischievous scamps' inability to refrain from jokey asides (read: derails!), thereby giving Rramjet an excuse to avoid addressing Stray Cat's drawing-of-a-blimp-superimposed-over-a-photo-of-a-blimp at the top of this page a second time... I'll be mad. So there. ;)
 
If this thread goes to the next page because of you mischievous scamps' inability to refrain from jokey asides (read: derails!), thereby giving Rramjet an excuse to avoid addressing Stray Cat's drawing-of-a-blimp-superimposed-over-a-photo-of-a-blimp at the top of this page a second time... I'll be mad. So there. ;)

Interesting, I hadn't noticed that
here it is again
Blimp.jpg


hmmm, I don't think its very good
sounds too samey to this post which was posted three days ago in a different thread as an answer to the same question
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5196105&highlight=portland#post5196105
now if he didn't pay attention then what makes this stray cat any different
:p

on another note
Marduk said:
what looks like a banana but is big enough to accomodate several small children
this does
http://www.expresswatersports.com/media/bananaboar/Myrtle beach banana boat rides 5.jpg
problem solved
thanks to Admiral Michael Glenn "Mike" Mullen, USN for the answer to that one, he has provided documentation that one of the U.S. Navys banana boats was in that area at that time. It was being piloted by Petty Officer Second Class Jimmy Hoffa
;)
 
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The above is incorrect.

And you are the one deciding what is correct/incorrect because...?

Rramjet's claim is he believes it was a UFO. He has given back up for his belief. That's enough, at least for me. It doesn't mean his belief is a correct evaluation of 'objective' reality. But it does give us a basis for his belief. A basis we can then evaluate. And that is exactly why it doesn't matter if the proof he finds valid is not valid in our eyes as well. If someone finds the proof for someone's belief to be in some way insufficient or simply incorrect, it's their job to show why/how with the aid of proof of the contrary.
 
If Rramjet were simply claiming it was an Unidentifed Flying Object, there would be no problem. His claim is that the object cannot be explained by anything on Earth, and is therefore an alien craft.

ETA: There are alternative explanations, which Rramjet attempts to handwave away because they don't fit with what he wants to believe.
 
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