Merged Skeptics vs. Knowers/Believers

Where's the evidence that they WERE built by 'us'?

Where are all these quartz-tipped tools made by Inca or whomever you propose built/shaped these stones...?

Why is your stance, that lacks physical evidence, any better than mine?

Why can't we propose that we DON'T know who built these things?

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Tell me what kind of stone carving methods WERE employed by the Inca 2200 years ago.

Provide ONE Inca tool capable of cutting diorite...

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Can't we examine these stones, and look for the marks of the original work?

And thus garner some insight as to how they were formed?
What DJKK wrote above.

You can also try some googling using "archeology", "Inca", "tools" and "architecture" as keywords. Oh, don't forget to avoid woo sites.

I find that the simplest answer is usually the correct one...
And this would be...
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All my questions have a simple, straightforward answer, one that has no known inconsistencies- there has never been and there is not such a hidden civilization.
 
I apologize for replying so late. New to chat lines and had bad attack of gout so feeling high as a buzzard on anti-inflammatories lately. I'm 100% certain I know what I saw, as I even turned my head around to check the window for reflection. I turned my head back at the mirror and saw the apparition floating to the opposite side of the mirror. I was obviously unnerved, but shortly after I understood the link. I was also certain because I,ve experienced other phenomena. I do not claim to be a psychic or medium, just a fellow human being, but I am communicating this now as you may know or not, that this world and our consciousness is in the process of changing.
 
I personally have not seen a UFO, but have seen an apparition in the mirror that was not of this world. I seem to remember Jimi Hendrix asking mankind "Are you experienced".

I once saw the bassist of my old band wearing red plaid polyester pants put a lighter to his butt, light is fart on fire, burn a hole right through his pants, and burned his butt! Oh boy, let me tell you, what an experience.

I do not claim to be a psychic or medium, just a fellow human being, but I am communicating this now as you may know or not, that this world and our consciousness is in the process of changing.

To? Is it the $#!%catchers coming back? Because really, I already knew about this.
 
One needs reliable evidence to do so. Once the evidence is present, then the speculation may become a hypothesis and eventually a theory.

Got reliable evidence UFO buffs?

Which explains why there have been recent calls to sceptics on the forum to reduce the level of evidence they will except.

It goes like this: "As soon as you all agree with me that crap evidence is OK to present, I'll be able to present some"

Sadly the timing was off as no one agreed to lower the level.
 
Questions for the Abyss people...

1) Hi, I live at the bottom of the sea with my sea monkey buddies and we make crazy techno-$#!% everyday. What did me and my sea monkey buddies have for lunch today? No, really. What do we eat? What food source does our society cultivate and depend on so that we don't have to worry about food and can put our time into crazy techno-$#!%?
Dear soon-to-be-abducted land dweller,

We eat the animals you call Humboldt squids. As a matter of fact right now we are expanding our squid farms. Our mission is to have squid farms ranging from Patagonia to Alaska. Our vision is to live happy wet lives eating squids, dancing (you have not heard techno if you haven't heard it underwater - at least 300m) and abducting land-dwellers.

2) Being a sea monkey at the bottom of the ocean is great. Well, sometimes the pressure is a little much! *rimshot* If there is a species of advanced being that has developed in the intense pressure environment of the sea floor and that is the environment they need, what the hell are they doing messing around up on the surface and abducting people?
Well, we had to create those mega Judas cradles in Egypt to torture our Nephilim enemies on dry land (these devices, as you know will not work well under water due to flotation issues). Only their very tops can be seen now above the dunes. This started our... uhm... erm... Fetiches Scientific interest by the rear end of humanoids' digestive systems. Now, with the Nephelim gone, we abduct humans to implant probes at their anuses. We tried cattle mutilation, but its just not as fun as poking human buttholes.

3) Doesn't it get really boring at the bottom of the sea? I mean, the view sucks and eating mud can't be that much fun. Wait, I just answered question #2.
Oh, yes, it gets boring, despite all the techno and squid-eating. See above.

Now, would you please lay down at this bed, face-down and try to relax? This will take just a minute.
 
Dear soon-to-be-abducted land dweller,

We eat the animals you call Humboldt squids. As a matter of fact right now we are expanding our squid farms. Our mission is to have squid farms ranging from Patagonia to Alaska. Our vision is to live happy wet lives eating squids, dancing (you have not heard techno if you haven't heard it underwater - at least 300m) and abducting land-dwellers.


Well, we had to create those mega Judas cradles in Egypt to torture our Nephilim enemies on dry land (these devices, as you know will not work well under water due to flotation issues). Only their very tops can be seen now above the dunes. This started our... uhm... erm... Fetiches Scientific interest by the rear end of humanoids' digestive systems. Now, with the Nephelim gone, we abduct humans to implant probes at their anuses. We tried cattle mutilation, but its just not as fun as poking human buttholes.


Oh, yes, it gets boring, despite all the techno and squid-eating. See above.

Now, would you please lay down at this bed, face-down and try to relax? This will take just a minute.

Wow did you just channel the spirit of an ancient sea monkey abyss creature?

I have no evidence to support this idea, nor to disprove it.
So it must be true!
 
I recall reading, I believe in Scientific American, some time in the mid eighties, a report of some replication experiments done with inca stonework to answer basically the question of how they got such precise fits, straight lines, etc. Certainly, there have been claims that they couldn't possibly have built their drystone walls to such precise fits without the help of advanced civilizations, but as usual we underestimate the ingenuity of our ancestors. I'll see if I can find the specific article, but I'm going to post a brief summary from memory. I should also add that I've tried this, and it works.

First, hard stones aren't carved with chisels. Chisels are for marble, soapstone, sandstone, and such. When you use chisels on hard stone, the edge of the chisel blunts or breaks. Harder stones are carved by impact. The modern tool is a bush hammer, which has lots of little points to crush and spall rock away from the impact point. It looks a lot like a meat tenderizer hammer, but with a hardened steel face. The primitive tool is a cobblestone of a rock at least as hard, but ideally harder than the one you wish to shape. It can either be a hand held cobble, or one with a handle made by wrapping a split of flexible wood around it and tying it in place.

The incas planned ahead a bit when quarrying their stones, and left knobs on them to attach ropes and allow easy handling. Stones with the handling knobs fractured off have been found abandoned on the roads leading from the quarries, suggesting that the presence of the knobs was important. Stone walls have been found with the handling knobs still intact on the outer face, or with marks where the knobs were broken free after the wall was built.

The technique the researchers found most productive in making straight, tight joints between stones was to dust the bottom stone with stone dust, and lower the top stone into place. Its weight would compress the stone dust and leave a clear impression of where stone needed to be removed. Impact spalling with a hard cobble would quickly break the stone away from the places it needed to be reduced in size. The most daunting task was the several times that the top stone had to be lowered into the course before it was sufficiently well fit to be left in place, but it was manageable using brute force, ropes, and levers.

No advanced technical help needed, just a good understanding of how stone is worked combined with plentiful labor.

A.

I found a reference that I'm about 99 percent sure is the piece I remember reading. Its Protzen, Jean-Pierre; "Inca Stonemasonry," Scientific American, 254:94, February 1986. I can't access it directly to see, since its a pay site, and I no longer collect magazines to the obsessive extend I once did, so I'm unable to confirm. (I once had a complete set of scientific american, colliers, and national geographic. It took up a fair chunk of my library. It's amazing what libraries get rid of, and how cheaply. I read them end to end a couple of times, then gave them away.)
 
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Well, if 'we' constructed one site, then we must have constructed ALL of them...?

This could ONLY be the case. It is IMPOSSIBLE for another race to have done it, because well we say so...?

have you heard of evidence ?
evidence is what archaeologists base their conclusions on, you'll find its more reliable (and less laughable) than your imagination and actually based on scientific principles.
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Every time I hear someone like KoTA talk about our ancestors being incapable of building certain ancient structures, or that ufos appear in ancient art etc, I always think that Erich Von Daniken was a great con artist in getting people to believe such nonsense. Now I am not sure that KoTA has ever read Daniken, but I have a suspicion that he has.
 
Every time I hear someone like KoTA talk about our ancestors being incapable of building certain ancient structures, or that ufos appear in ancient art etc, I always think that Erich Von Daniken was a great con artist in getting people to believe such nonsense. Now I am not sure that KoTA has ever read Daniken, but I have a suspicion that he has.

claim "ancestors incapable" = knowledge gap in the claimee

where the claimee is KOTA that knowledge gap has always been shown to be wilfull ignorance
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Wow did you just channel the spirit of an ancient sea monkey abyss creature?

I have no evidence to support this idea, nor to disprove it.
So it must be true!

If I tell you, I will have to probe you...

"Channel the spirit" hehehehehehehehehe I've got a very dirty mind...
 
Every time I hear someone like KoTA talk about our ancestors being incapable of building certain ancient structures, or that ufos appear in ancient art etc, I always think that Erich Von Daniken was a great con artist in getting people to believe such nonsense. Now I am not sure that KoTA has ever read Daniken, but I have a suspicion that he has.

Show on puma punku featuring Von Dumbass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AABPXvwevVA

Hey, Correa, check this out. The token skeptic is Prof. Todd Disotell!

(Disotell is always the token skeptic on Bigfoot shows like MonsterQuest.)
 
Show on puma punku featuring Von Dumbass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AABPXvwevVA

Hey, Correa, check this out. The token skeptic is Prof. Todd Disotell!

(Disotell is always the token skeptic on Bigfoot shows like MonsterQuest.)


It's interesting that Disotell poses the same question that I have thought of over the years when it comes to this subject. Why didn't the aliens build, or assist in the building of sky scraper like structures. Certainly with their supposed tech they could have done that. Not only that, but why not use advanced materials like glass and steel and concrete for construction? I think the lack of such building practices proves that is was our ancestors that built these structures witout the need for alien help.
 
It's interesting that Disotell poses the same question that I have thought of over the years when it comes to this subject. Why didn't the aliens build, or assist in the building of sky scraper like structures. Certainly with their supposed tech they could have done that. Not only that, but why not use advanced materials like glass and steel and concrete for construction? I think the lack of such building practices proves that is was our ancestors that built these structures witout the need for alien help.

They didn't want to give away their presence.:p
 
They didn't want to give away their presence.:p

Hmmm, they didn't do a very good job of it if KoTA caught onto them. I guess it's time for them to send these guys over to his place.
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