Moderated Views on George Galloway.

Marc39 said:
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Galloway and the other mental defectives bashing Israel are lost.
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Where are they lost?

Down that road that some people call equal human rights for all?
 
Marc39 said:
The truth of the matter is Palestinians have turned being refugees into a career

Palestinians are their own worst enemies, .
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funny, then the Jews and Palestinians have a great deal in common.

Jews have turned whining about the past and demanding compensation for past persecution a 24/7/365 job and hobby..and have become their own worst enemies when it comes to the peace process.

I'm still waiting for the demands of compensation from Spain for the Inquisition to begin.
 
parky76 said:
No, being anti-Zionist was and is a legitimate political stance. One can be against the existence of a seperate and discriminatory nation-state for members of the Jewish faith (and their non-Jewish children and grandchildren) and yet hold no bigoted feelings towards Jews.

Almost ALL Orthodox Jews were anti-Zionist before Israel was founded and many are still today, for clear religious reasonings, NOT because they hate Jews.

To argue that it is anti-Jewish to be anti-Zionist is just plain ignorant.

And no, the 18 million or so Jews, who after 2,000 years have become varied very greatly in ethnicity, geography, color, and religious practise, DO NOT have an inherent right to an independent, discirminatory nation-state.
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Well said parky!!

I guess it's common for those backed into a corner to pull out the tired old race card. to equate Anti-Zionism with racism is complete ridiculous and quite embarrassing.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
Well said parky!!

I guess it's common for those backed into a corner to pull out the tired old race card. to equate Anti-Zionism with racism is complete ridiculous and quite embarrassing.
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Anti-Zionism--denying Jews the right of self-determination--is fundamentally anti-Semitic.

There are, I'm sure, numerous Jew-hating chat rooms where such a viewpoint is warmly welcomed.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
Well said parky!!

I guess it's common for those backed into a corner to pull out the tired old race card. to equate Anti-Zionism with racism is complete ridiculous and quite embarrassing.
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more like "to accuse ALL anti-Zionist with anti-Semitism is completely rediculous and quite embarrasing". its a feeble and pathetic attempt at deligitimizing ANY of the opinion of ANY of you opponents.

I would love for someone to explain to me how the great majority of Orthodox Rabbis before 1948 were indeed anti-Semitic. this would be a hoot.

hell, even my own Orthodox Jewish relatives agree that from a purely religious standpoint, Zionist is antithetical to Judaism, because the Jews are forbidden from having independence in Israel again until the Messuah comes. But the Rabbis also declared that once land in Israel is under Jewish rule (means of conquest not withstanding), it is thne forbidden to give up the land.

So, basically, Orthodox Jews love the LAND of Israel, but don't neccesareily believe that Jews are obligated to like or even recognize the government in Israel.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
Even if Galloway did go to Gaza for a Photo Op it's a whole lot better than going to Gaza to commit genocide 'like wot' those racist Zionists did.
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So, your secret debating technique, I see, is merely to repeat the same erroneous junk information about genocides, repeatedly?

Not working out too well, now, is it?
 
Marc39 said:
Anti-Zionism--denying Jews the right of self-determination--is fundamentally anti-Semitic.

There are, I'm sure, numerous Jew-hating chat rooms where such a viewpoint is warmly welcomed.
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Your argument is embarrassing.

No one has the right of self-determination. We all have to abide by the laws of the land. A political agenda to occupy and colonize a land by committing violence and theft against others is nothing to do with racial self-determination.

I would advise you stop equating Zionism and Jews. They are not mutually inclusive
 
^That makes no sense at all.

Check the record, I'v tried to keep it to galloway, other people have sprung off on a rather predictable tangents.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
I would advise you stop equating Zionism and Jews. They are not mutually inclusive
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Well, I'll wait and see how many pots it takes before someone does this. Wont be long :D

Galloway gives his thoughts, and the difference between jews, zionists and Israelis here:

 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
Your argument is embarrassing.
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Your not knowing that Palestinians comprise Gaza, after posting incessantly about Gaza, and being unaware of what constitutes genocide, and, suggesting, on one hand, there has been no genocide of Palestinians, then, suggesting Palestinian genocide in Gaza...That's embarrassing!

No one has the right of self-determination.
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Under international law, every people is entitled to self-determination.

UN Charter, Article 1.2...
[The purpose of the UN is] To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace.
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UN Charter, Article 55...
With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples...
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The right to self-determination has been further established by the UN Human Rights Committee 10 and the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination 11.

International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights...
All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
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The right to self-determination is also recognized by...

The Declaration of Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation Among States

The Helsinki Final Act

The African Charter of Human and Peoples' Rights

The Charter of Paris for a New Europe

The Vienna Declaration and Program of Action
 
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Marc39 said:
Your not knowing that Palestinians comprise Gaza, after posting incessantly about Gaza, and being unaware of what constitutes genocide, and, suggesting, on one hand, there has been no genocide of Palestinians, then, suggesting Palestinian genocide in Gaza...That's embarrassing!
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All I can say is note the difference between 'occuring' and 'occured'

Also note that I said that as AFAIK there is no genocide of Palestinians ( in Gaza or elsewhere ) occurring. However there was a genocide of Palestinians in Gaza during Cast Lead. Note also that I sometimes refer to the people of Gaza as Gazans.

I am really trying to get back to using this thread to recognizing the oratory brilliance and truth telling of George Galloway who is a hero in the political world.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
All I can say is note the difference between 'occuring' and 'occured'

Also note that I said that as AFAIK there is no genocide of Palestinians ( in Gaza or elsewhere ) occurring. However there was a genocide of Palestinians in Gaza during Cast Lead. Note also that I sometimes refer to the people of Gaza as Gazans.

I am really trying to get back to using this thread to recognizing the oratory brilliance and truth telling of George Galloway who is a hero in the political world.
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Now, you're trying to back-pedal? In one breath, you state there have been no genocides of Palestinians. In the second breath, a genocide occurred in Gaza.

Sooo, in addition to not knowing what genocide is, you are unaware that Gaza is comprised of Palestinians.

Your posts are stunningly ill-conceived.
 
Zeuzzz said:
I respect Galloway in many things, but am never quite sure why he is picked on in the puclic as much as he is by the media and political parties (often wishing they had not picked on him in public later) .
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It's because he speaks out against the Zionist Movement. He also speaks out against the neocon agenda.

I am never confused as to why he is so vilified in the 'press'

In answer to the question: "So whats actually factually wrong with galloways Senate Testimony?"

Absolutely nothing. It's pure brilliance. I love watching the idiots in the Senate squirm and almost implode with the sterilization of their timy little craniums. :) :)
 
Marc39 said:
Now, you're trying to back-pedal? In one breath, you state there have been no genocides of Palestinians. In the second breath, a genocide occurred in Gaza.

Sooo, in addition to not knowing what genocide is, you are unaware that Gaza is comprised of Palestinians.

Your posts are stunningly ill-conceived.
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Seriously my friend I would advise you slow down a bit and actually read the posts before embarrassingly making false accusations ...

here is what i said ... I've used bold and italics to help you understand the difference between 'occurring' and 'occurred'

Tin Foil Timothy said:
Make your mind up. As far as I know you are correct in that no genocide of the Palestinians is occurring. No one has said it is so why you are making that point is odd.

The Gazan Genocide did occur though.

And just like I am not a Holocaust Denier I am also not a Gazan Genocide Denier.

To me a life is a life no matter what it's race therefore I place Gazan Genocide deniers in the same category of Holocaust Deniers.

The rest of your post is completely redundant as it has nothing to do with the Gazan Genocide.
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Now perhaps you can see I didn't say there had been no genocides of Palestinians. I said there is ( AFAIK ) no genocide of the Palestinians occurring.

Jeez, this is so difficult and tedious sometimes. Why can't people read posts properly? :rolleyes:
 
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