fourtoe
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Hey all,
I became interested in 911 CT because I love listening to debates. The more debates I listen to, the more I go and look up the topics debated over and that is part of the reason why I started posting on JREF. Googling these topics kept sending me to old JREF threads.
The following are 14 different debates between various debunkers and various Truthers. They all very in quality (content wise), but I think that listening to these debates is a good way of getting people interested in the subject matter.
Richard Gage vs Ron Craig
This debate is pretty good. Ron Craig is an explosives expert and every response he gives to Gage is super concise and simple. Also the moderator was pretty fair, I read here that he was a Truther so I think it was pretty cool that despite his own opinion he stayed pretty neutral.
John Brown vs Kevin Barrett part 1. and part 2.
I made a thread about this guy John Brown a while back. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds Barrett as annoying as all hell and these mp3s only support that opinion. He says over and over and over that no one will want to debate him and I guess John Brown is the one debunker who he hasn't said should hang for treason.
John Brown vs the entire TM
John Brown again, only this time it is him against Steven Jones, Richard Gage and Tony Szamboti. And those are just the Truthers that I remember, I think there were more.
David Ray Griffin vs Chip Berlet
I think I know the reason why DRG is so sketchy about debating opponents of his claims and that reason rhymes with zip Chevrolet. Berlet does an awesome job in this debate. I caution people, this debate was back in 2004 and THE EXACT CLAIMS THAT ARE BEING USED STILL TO THIS DAY, are spewed out by DRG for the first part of the mp3.
Jack Beacon vs Chip Berlet
I don't think Berlet does as well in this debate as he did in the one with DRG. He kind of trails off on a tangent about antisemitism. Also it just seems like Beacon is there to promote his event he is going to have later on.
David Ray Griffin vs George Monbiot
The other reason why DRG is so smarmy yet scared of debating comes from across the pond. Monbiot is a British journalist and he seriously devastates Griffin in this one.
Michael Berger vs Matthew Rothschild
This one I haven't listened to in a long time. I think Berger comes across as the 'winner' in this debate. Berger who is not nearly as prominent as the other top TM folks is probably the best debater the TM's got. I'm surprised he isn't more known.
Michael Berger vs. SezMe part 1. and part 2.
Michael Berger again, this time against JREFer SezMe. Berger still comes off the way he does in the previous debate only this time I don't think he comes off as the 'winner'. SezMe keeps reminding Berger about how many people are needed in order to pull 911 off and this just makes Berger look like he is digging himself further and further into the ground. Especially when Reggie (the host) starts sighing when he knows that Berger just made a claim that would require hundreds more people to be in on the conspiracy.
Shyam Sunder vs Graham Macqueen
I feel bad because I don't recall too much about this debate. It seemed to have gone nowhere for me. I mainly put this one up because it features Sunder. I'm gonna listen to all these again to give more proper reviews at a later date.
Steven Jones vs Leslie Robertson
This one is pretty well rounded. Both Jones and Robertson are civil and it seems like a discussion more than a debate. You still get a great audio source of Robertson stating what he really thinks about the collapses.
Kevin Ryan vs Michael Shermer
Poor Michael Shermer. Shermer did awful in this because he just doesn't know a lot about the specific arguments of 911. He is a skeptic in general and can use common sense to show a person how 911 CT are absurd but we all know that that isn't enough to get a CT like Ryan shaking in his boots.
Loose Change vs Popular Mechanics
Avery and Bermas take on those evil yellow journalists at PM. The PM people sound like they know their stuff but the two issues that I have with this debate is that they were always on the defensive, they never got to ask Avery or Bermas any questions. Also it is super short.
Loose Change vs Mark Roberts
I think we all know about this one. Do I need to say the specifics?
Mike McConnell vs 3 Cincinnati Truthers part 1. and part 2.
McConnell is the epitome of talk radio hosts but he does pretty good against three Truthers. He uses some cheap arguments against the Truthers but I think over all he did a great job. It is also kind of funny listening to him getting frustrated with the Truthers for not knowing how to act on a talk radio show.
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There are a couple more that I know of that I couldn't find today so I'm going to try and update this list as much as possible. And there were a lot in general that I didn't post because they aren't available as mp3s.
I would also LOVE it if any of you guys want to post reviews of these debates or links to other debates in any format and review them too if you want.
I also should thank all the sites that I mooched these links from. A lot of them were actually Truther sites so I commend the TM for being a great resource to find mp3s files of debates.
Also, the McConnell debate I found at JREFer Walter Ego's site which has A LOT of great videos and links to other 911 related stuffs.
p.s. Let me know if any links are dead or something, too!
I became interested in 911 CT because I love listening to debates. The more debates I listen to, the more I go and look up the topics debated over and that is part of the reason why I started posting on JREF. Googling these topics kept sending me to old JREF threads.
The following are 14 different debates between various debunkers and various Truthers. They all very in quality (content wise), but I think that listening to these debates is a good way of getting people interested in the subject matter.
Richard Gage vs Ron Craig
This debate is pretty good. Ron Craig is an explosives expert and every response he gives to Gage is super concise and simple. Also the moderator was pretty fair, I read here that he was a Truther so I think it was pretty cool that despite his own opinion he stayed pretty neutral.
John Brown vs Kevin Barrett part 1. and part 2.
I made a thread about this guy John Brown a while back. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds Barrett as annoying as all hell and these mp3s only support that opinion. He says over and over and over that no one will want to debate him and I guess John Brown is the one debunker who he hasn't said should hang for treason.
John Brown vs the entire TM
John Brown again, only this time it is him against Steven Jones, Richard Gage and Tony Szamboti. And those are just the Truthers that I remember, I think there were more.
David Ray Griffin vs Chip Berlet
I think I know the reason why DRG is so sketchy about debating opponents of his claims and that reason rhymes with zip Chevrolet. Berlet does an awesome job in this debate. I caution people, this debate was back in 2004 and THE EXACT CLAIMS THAT ARE BEING USED STILL TO THIS DAY, are spewed out by DRG for the first part of the mp3.
Jack Beacon vs Chip Berlet
I don't think Berlet does as well in this debate as he did in the one with DRG. He kind of trails off on a tangent about antisemitism. Also it just seems like Beacon is there to promote his event he is going to have later on.
David Ray Griffin vs George Monbiot
The other reason why DRG is so smarmy yet scared of debating comes from across the pond. Monbiot is a British journalist and he seriously devastates Griffin in this one.
Michael Berger vs Matthew Rothschild
This one I haven't listened to in a long time. I think Berger comes across as the 'winner' in this debate. Berger who is not nearly as prominent as the other top TM folks is probably the best debater the TM's got. I'm surprised he isn't more known.
Michael Berger vs. SezMe part 1. and part 2.
Michael Berger again, this time against JREFer SezMe. Berger still comes off the way he does in the previous debate only this time I don't think he comes off as the 'winner'. SezMe keeps reminding Berger about how many people are needed in order to pull 911 off and this just makes Berger look like he is digging himself further and further into the ground. Especially when Reggie (the host) starts sighing when he knows that Berger just made a claim that would require hundreds more people to be in on the conspiracy.
Shyam Sunder vs Graham Macqueen
I feel bad because I don't recall too much about this debate. It seemed to have gone nowhere for me. I mainly put this one up because it features Sunder. I'm gonna listen to all these again to give more proper reviews at a later date.
Steven Jones vs Leslie Robertson
This one is pretty well rounded. Both Jones and Robertson are civil and it seems like a discussion more than a debate. You still get a great audio source of Robertson stating what he really thinks about the collapses.
Kevin Ryan vs Michael Shermer
Poor Michael Shermer. Shermer did awful in this because he just doesn't know a lot about the specific arguments of 911. He is a skeptic in general and can use common sense to show a person how 911 CT are absurd but we all know that that isn't enough to get a CT like Ryan shaking in his boots.
Loose Change vs Popular Mechanics
Avery and Bermas take on those evil yellow journalists at PM. The PM people sound like they know their stuff but the two issues that I have with this debate is that they were always on the defensive, they never got to ask Avery or Bermas any questions. Also it is super short.
Loose Change vs Mark Roberts
I think we all know about this one. Do I need to say the specifics?
Mike McConnell vs 3 Cincinnati Truthers part 1. and part 2.
McConnell is the epitome of talk radio hosts but he does pretty good against three Truthers. He uses some cheap arguments against the Truthers but I think over all he did a great job. It is also kind of funny listening to him getting frustrated with the Truthers for not knowing how to act on a talk radio show.
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There are a couple more that I know of that I couldn't find today so I'm going to try and update this list as much as possible. And there were a lot in general that I didn't post because they aren't available as mp3s.
I would also LOVE it if any of you guys want to post reviews of these debates or links to other debates in any format and review them too if you want.
I also should thank all the sites that I mooched these links from. A lot of them were actually Truther sites so I commend the TM for being a great resource to find mp3s files of debates.
Also, the McConnell debate I found at JREFer Walter Ego's site which has A LOT of great videos and links to other 911 related stuffs.
p.s. Let me know if any links are dead or something, too!
