Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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boyntonstu said:
McCain turned over all requested documents.

Why doesn't Obama?


If the situation was reversed and McCain was President, I would support releasing McCain's documents. (Had he refused)
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Other people are answering your posts, why are you afraid to answer theirs? You don't have a leg to stand on concerning Obama, and you have been shown WHY a hundred times in this thread alone. You are wrong. Face it and get on with life. Unless of course you like to be called an idiot. If so, please continue.
 
Race may play into it somewhat, depending on the individual, but I think it's more just a matter of certain conservatives not wanting to except the "lib'rul guy" as their duly-elected President. It's a form of denial. These people are wingnuts and they will do whatever they can to discredit anyone who threatens their ill-informed political ideals, just as they did with Clinton. They made up a lot of BS about Clinton, too, remember?
 
Slayhamlet said:
Race may play into it somewhat, depending on the individual, but I think it's more just a matter of certain conservatives not wanting to except the "lib'rul guy" as their duly-elected President. It's a form of denial. These people are wingnuts and they will do whatever they can to discredit anyone who threatens their ill-informed political ideals, just as they did with Clinton. They made up a lot of BS about Clinton, too, remember?
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The USA has had liberal Presidents before. That's nothing new. But the reaction to Obama is very..very different then the reaction to Carter or Clinton.

Obama's middle name is Hussein. His father was an African Muslim. Obama was raised in Indonesia. Obama is not afraid of his Muslim heritage. And Obama is black.

Add this all up, and you have a perfect storm for insane, paranoid, bigoted right-wingers.
 
Slayhamlet said:
Race may play into it somewhat, depending on the individual, but I think it's more just a matter of certain conservatives not wanting to except the "lib'rul guy" as their duly-elected President. It's a form of denial. These people are wingnuts and they will do whatever they can to discredit anyone who threatens their ill-informed political ideals, just as they did with Clinton. They made up a lot of BS about Clinton, too, remember?
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I think a lot of people looked at sweeping Republican victories at the turn of the century as evidence that the country was theirs and the libs were defeated.

These victories were chipped away at, and they can't accept that. Now I will say race is still a large part of it. For many it is simply that a non-white is President, but for most it is something deeper. It is an obvious symbol that something has changed in the country and there is no going back, which has been to goal of the extreme conservatives; returning to a mythical 50's dreamworld that never existed.
 
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Arus808 said:
Yes it has been produced. Hawaii only provides a Certification of Live Birth - has been using only that version since the 60's.

Dont even try to wave that fact away, since
1)IM from Hawaii
2) I have a Certification of Live Birth .
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could u show us a copy with the private info whited out?
 
fullflavormenthol said:
returning to a mythical 50's dreamworld that never existed.
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well, you know, the 50's was America's greatest time.

Segregation was full steam ahead.

The Klan rode around lynching blacks with impunity.

Only immigrants from Britain and Germany could come to the USA en masse.

Communists and possible Communists were running scared.

Abortion was illegal.

Gays were locked in the closet.

Universities still had Jew Quotas.

It was a Republican's dream come true
 
By the way, amongst the other lies and quarter-truths that the birthers cling to with such pathetic determination, one of the most bizarre is this notion that Obama has "sealed" his records. What they're referring to there is Executive Order 13489 which Obama signed on his first day in office. The hilarious thing is that the reason that Obama made such a big play out of this order (making it one of his first pieces of official business) was because he was reversing the trend to increasing secrecy of recent presidencies. He revoked the Executive Order that Bush had issued on Presidential Records and replaced it with a much less restrictive one (modeled--for added irony--after the one that President Reagan issued). Here's an instructive little comment on the action from the National Coalition for History.

Talk about no good deed going unpunished! Obama makes Presidential records more available than they have been for decades and the birther nutjobs run around in circles shrieking about how he's spending (entirely fictional) "millions" to keep them from getting vital information.
 
This is like a Socratic Dialogue done by a four year old on a sugar high and a blind chimp that knows sign language but has arthritis.
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I love this imagery and intend to use it often.

Do Birthers realize that not only does every state have its own format for birth certificates, but these formats vary over time? My own is issued by the city of Buffalo rather than New York State - and they're only willing to commit themselves to saying that a birth certificate was filed for me. It doesn't even mention my sex: I suppose it's the ultra-short form. But the State Department was happy to accept it when I applied for a passport.
 
Retrograde said:
I love this imagery and intend to use it often.

Do Birthers realize that not only does every state have its own format for birth certificates, but these formats vary over time? My own is issued by the city of Buffalo rather than New York State - and they're only willing to commit themselves to saying that a birth certificate was filed for me. It doesn't even mention my sex: I suppose it's the ultra-short form. But the State Department was happy to accept it when I applied for a passport.
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If you want to mess with a birther's head (at least, the kind of unreconstructed paleo-birther we have in this thread) ask him/her to find the form at the Hawaii Dept. of Health where you can order a "long form" birth certificate. Or even find the form for ordering a "birth certificate" rather than a "certification of birth."
 
boyntonstu said:
McCain turned over all requested documents.

Why doesn't Obama?


If the situation was reversed and McCain was President, I would support releasing McCain's documents. (Had he refused)
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So all that means is that McCain has not been asked for the right documents or the ones he has released are fakes. :duck:

Do try and keep up! :scared:
 
Yoink said:
If you want to mess with a birther's head (at least, the kind of unreconstructed paleo-birther we have in this thread) ask him/her to find the form at the Hawaii Dept. of Health where you can order a "long form" birth certificate. Or even find the form for ordering a "birth certificate" rather than a "certification of birth."
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Well the first problem is the assumption that they won't just stick their fingers in the ears and scream that you can get a long form if you want it. Believe it or not this is the most common answer I get, and they refuse to accept they are wrong.

The others I encounter will claim that is was changed because of Obama. Stil it is a rare response.

Birthers are all about denile.
 
if Obama was to release his long form certificate, most if not all Birthers would claim that it was a fake.
 
fullflavormenthol said:
Actually that has been the conspiracy theory on the birther boards for months now.
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exactly. Obama is ****ed if he does..and ****ed if he doesnt. The Birthers hate him for reasons other then his place of birth.

We all know that..and THEY know that.

If I was Obama, I would do EXACTLY what he is doing now. Completely ignore the Birthers..for they are irrelevant. He has a country to run.
 
boyntonstu said:
McCain turned over all requested documents.
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He did? Where is the scan of his birth certificate? I haven't actually seen it.


boyntonstu said:
Why doesn't Obama?
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He did. Why do you keep ignoring that?

Unless, of course, you are talking about something that is impossible to provide, which explains why Obama hasn't done the impossible.


boyntonstu said:
If the situation was reversed and McCain was President, I would support releasing McCain's documents. (Had he refused)
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Have you seen Bush's birth certificate? Or Clinton's? How do you know they were natural born citizens? Did you demand their documents be released?
 
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And why must these documents be released to the public? None of the past candidates ever did this. These documents are given to the Electoral College for review, not the general public. And before these documents reach the Electoral College for review, the documents must past review locally via their party groups in their states.


and why does Boyntonstu continue to ignore my post?
 
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