Using neutron bombs on taliban safehavens

Ask Israel if they possess neutron bombs to use on their own territory - because of low blast damage - in case they are overwhelmed by troops from another country. And does or does not Israel, the US Europe, Russia, India and Pakistan - with their nukes that could fall into Taliban hands - have a tremendous stake in the outcome in Afghanistan and the establishment of a bona fide terrorist Theocratic state with nukes. You are fools to play politics with this
 
Let me tell you what is sick. Logic dictates that if we continue on the same course in Afghanistan, we will be forced to cut and run just like the Russians did.

Nuking them is not the only available alternative available to us.

And I say we need to follow the EXACT same strategy that worked on Japan. You FORCE them into unconditional surrender using those "magical" air weapons.

Why would Japan be the model, when the country in no way resembles Japan? It is not ethnically uniform. It has no strong central government (not even while the Taliban were in charge). It is not an island which we can starve (yes, we were literally starting to starve the Japanese). The people we're fighting can and do cross borders, on foot. Their bases are as much in Pakistan as in Afghanistan. Are you proposing that we use nuclear weapons against Taliban bases in Pakistan? Start a nuclear war with a nuclear-armed state? Let me clue you in on something: that's not the Japan model. And it will not produce the Japan results. The two scenarios are simply not equivalent.

I sympathize with your frustration over what's happening in Afghanistan, and I understand the desire to take the gloves off, as it were, in an attempt to win decisively. But the reality of the situation just doesn't match your apparent conceptions of it.
 
Send an unmistakably clear message to the Taliban - you commit a suicide car bomb and we fry one of your safe haven valleys via drone. Just like Pavlov's dog, they'll catch on eventually. As for the civilians living under their thumbs, they have become so fearful they are enablers. We need to eradicate the radical Muslim culture there if they are to have any chance at an unfearful life. And like I said we eradicated a 1000 year old warrior culture in Japan - with the PROPER effort - and look at them today, as peaceful a no nuke people as there is on the entire planet. Thanks again Pavlov for showing us the way
 
Let me tell you what is sick. Logic dictates that if we continue on the same course in Afghanistan, we will be forced to cut and run just like the Russians did. THEN the Taliban -you know those daring dashing bold guerrillas who toss acid into 10 year old schoolgirl's faces and want to impose a Dark Age Theocracy on the entire frigging world- will take over Afghanistan. THEN Al Qaeda has a safe haven from which to launch more 911s and possibly even nukes on our cities. THAT'S a fact jack.
And I say we need to follow the EXACT same strategy that worked on Japan. You FORCE them into unconditional surrender using those "magical" air weapons.
So you know nothing about WWII other than your opinion.. tell me how many surrender offers did the japanese make before the bombs were dropped?
And as far as the act of frying safe havens causing "resentment" let's ask the damned Japanese themselves about it- " Hey guys, you still pissed at us" Or are you GREATFUL that we brought you out a 1000 year old might makes right warrior culture.
Wow, great false analogy, the surrender of Japan, you falsely think was linked to the dropping of the bomb, then you false ly equate post war japan with tehd ropping of the bomb.

Tell me , how many Nipponese dies from regular old incendiary bombs?
So you let the ruthless Taliban know that you are wiling to out do them in ruthless and the plan is to eradicate them and completely dismantle their culture - again just like the Japanese- if necessary by whatever means available.
Ah, yes that was what we did, we dismantled japan's culture, and your evidence is?
Meanwhile in areas that we DO control, we d o exactly what MacArthur did in Tokyo.
Ah, Doug the Slug, what a jerk.
And screw that corrupt Karzai and his protestations. THAT is how you win the damned war over there. You either view it as necessary or you play damned politics with it. And neutron bombs involve no combat troops and are cheap

Neuron bombs are baby H-bombs, what magical unicorn are you talking about.

The population of Afghanistan is not the Talibam, I am sure that the Taliban are concentrated so that they can be knocked out with a bomb strile.

Epic fail.
 
Send an unmistakably clear message to the Taliban - you commit a suicide car bomb and we fry one of your safe haven valleys via drone.
Oh, our intelligence is that good huh?
Just like Pavlov's dog, they'll catch on eventually. As for the civilians living under their thumbs, they have become so fearful they are enablers.
Oh, great just toss the Geneva conventions and destroy civilians, that will make them love us.
We need to eradicate the radical Muslim culture there if they are to have any chance at an unfearful life. And like I said we eradicated a 1000 year old warrior culture in Japan
Which we didn't.
- with the PROPER effort - and look at them today, as peaceful a no nuke people as there is on the entire planet. Thanks again Pavlov for showing us the way

I think you have some reality testing problems, I know you lack the application of critical thinking skills.
 
Send an unmistakably clear message to the Taliban - you commit a suicide car bomb and we fry one of your safe haven valleys via drone.

Their safe haven valleys are in Pakistan. Once again I ask: are you seriously proposing nuclear war against a nuclear power?
 
Ask Israel if they possess neutron bombs to use on their own territory - because of low blast damage
Excuse me, the blast area is is still there, they are smaller than a giagton bomb, but that does not mean they don't blow crud up and spew radioactives across teh landscape.

Imaginaaaation.
- in case they are overwhelmed by troops from another country. And does or does not Israel, the US Europe, Russia, India and Pakistan - with their nukes that could fall into Taliban hands - have a tremendous stake in the outcome in Afghanistan and the establishment of a bona fide terrorist Theocratic state with nukes. You are fools to play politics with this

Nope, I see one fool here.
 
Nuking them is not the only available alternative available to us.



Why would Japan be the model, when the country in no way resembles Japan? It is not ethnically uniform. It has no strong central government (not even while the Taliban were in charge). It is not an island which we can starve (yes, we were literally starting to starve the Japanese). The people we're fighting can and do cross borders, on foot. Their bases are as much in Pakistan as in Afghanistan. Are you proposing that we use nuclear weapons against Taliban bases in Pakistan? Start a nuclear war with a nuclear-armed state? Let me clue you in on something: that's not the Japan model. And it will not produce the Japan results. The two scenarios are simply not equivalent.

I sympathize with your frustration over what's happening in Afghanistan, and I understand the desire to take the gloves off, as it were, in an attempt to win decisively. But the reality of the situation just doesn't match your apparent conceptions of it.
Very well then what is your strategy? To win the hearts and minds of the people? Isn't that what we are doing now -- and losing anyway??? Of COURSE that should be the main strategy just as MacArthur was a benevolent dictator in Japan. And that is what we need there -a MacArthur to replace the Afghan government so we can shower uncorrupted goodies on the Afghan people like schools and jobs. Meanwhile because of a lack of the proper effort as the generals are saying, those hopped up Dark Age Theocratic bullies are gaining ground, especially in Pakistan. If all else fails, remember how Genghis Khan dealt with these rude bullies when they messed with his trade caravans. And like Obama, Truman was a swell guy too
 
They stopped 3 terrorist plots just last week. In two of them the terrorists actually pulled the trigger on two fake cars bombs parked under buildings. The Muslim extremists are now recruiting Muslim criminals in prison. Wake up. They are still alive and well and thriving in Afghanistan and now Pakistan
 
Let me tell you what is sick. Logic dictates that if we continue on the same course in Afghanistan, we will be forced to cut and run just like the Russians did. THEN the Taliban -you know those daring dashing bold guerrillas who toss acid into 10 year old schoolgirl's faces and want to impose a Dark Age Theocracy on the entire frigging world- will take over Afghanistan. THEN Al Qaeda has a safe haven from which to launch more 911s and possibly even nukes on our cities. THAT'S a fact jack.
And I say we need to follow the EXACT same strategy that worked on Japan. You FORCE them into unconditional surrender using those "magical" air weapons. And as far as the act of frying safe havens causing "resentment" let's ask the damned Japanese themselves about it- " Hey guys, you still pissed at us" Or are you GREATFUL that we brought you out a 1000 year old might makes right warrior culture. So you let the ruthless Taliban know that you are wiling to out do them in ruthless and the plan is to eradicate them and completely dismantle their culture - again just like the Japanese- if necessary by whatever means available. Meanwhile in areas that we DO control, we d o exactly what MacArthur did in Tokyo. And screw that corrupt Karzai and his protestations. THAT is how you win the damned war over there. You either view it as necessary or you play damned politics with it. And neutron bombs involve no combat troops and are cheap

Jesus-onna-stick, Tumbleweed... tell you what... I was beginning to sorta feel bad about the whole smug "dumbest idea of the decade" and "here's your sign" outbursts. You know, thinking it maybe was an innocent case of writing one message while drunk or high, and not deserving such a harsh response. I really needed the above kind of stupid and ignorant outburst. Now I no longer feel bad about it. Thanks.

And in addition to what was already said -- namely, first go actually learn WW2 history if you want to talk about WW2 history -- your point is... what? That you're willing to (A) use nukes against civillians to keep them in line, and (B) cause radioactive fallout from Israel to China and from southern Russia to Ethiopia in the process?

Jesus-onna-stick, at the risk of Goodwinning the thread, tell me, do you also happen to agree with the Nazi policy of executing a whole village as punishment for each act of resistance? Because that's exactly the kind of thing you're proposing. One guy blows himself up against you, well, you'll execute a few thousands of their innocent civillians by nuke as response.

Where the f-word is the moral high ground then? When your solution is worse than any problem they currently have, then why the f-word not just leave them alone?

Or is it just for the willy-waving factor?

And when a dozen countries, including the nuclear armed Russia, China, India and Pakistan have to give iodine pills to their kids and pray that they don't get cancer from your nukes in Afghanistan, then what? Because that's what'll happen. It's Chernobyl on steroids for any country anywhere near Afghanistan. You think you'll make America particularly loved internationally?
 
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Send an unmistakably clear message to the Taliban - you commit a suicide car bomb and we fry one of your safe haven valleys via drone. Just like Pavlov's dog, they'll catch on eventually. As for the civilians living under their thumbs, they have become so fearful they are enablers. We need to eradicate the radical Muslim culture there if they are to have any chance at an unfearful life. And like I said we eradicated a 1000 year old warrior culture in Japan - with the PROPER effort - and look at them today, as peaceful a no nuke people as there is on the entire planet. Thanks again Pavlov for showing us the way


Mhmm, while you're at it, maybe the US should nuke itself into a peaceful, nuke-free nation then, too? :confused:
 
Very well then what is your strategy? To win the hearts and minds of the people? Isn't that what we are doing now -- and losing anyway???

"Winning hearts and minds" is not a strategy, it's a platitude. What I think we should be doing is running a counter-insurgency war which focuses on securing the civilian population. That is, roughly speaking, what we did with the surge in Iraq. We aren't doing that right now in Afghanistan because we don't have the resources in place to do that.

If all else fails, remember how Genghis Khan dealt with these rude bullies when they messed with his trade caravans. And like Obama, Truman was a swell guy too

Once again, are you suggesting that we use nuclear weapons against a nuclear-armed state? I have asked twice now, and you have ignored my question both times. Perhaps the third time will be the charm.
 
So glad the intellectuals, sitting here at home with a care less about what goes on in Afghanistan because it in no way effects their lives, know much better than the generals in the field as to what to do to win. Basicaly it's cut and run and let the Taliban rule, isn't it? Or is it more of the same slowly going down hill. More chewing gum for kids?
 
What I find almost as unbelievable as the OP, is that there has been no mea culpa from the author of it. Instead we have a continued defense of a rather undefensible position that has earned scorn from posters of nearly every political bent.
 
So glad the intellectuals, sitting here at home with a care less about what goes on in Afghanistan because it in no way effects their lives, know much better than the generals in the field as to what to do to win. Basicaly it's cut and run and let the Taliban rule, isn't it? Or is it more of the same slowly going down hill. More chewing gum for kids?

As opposed to knuckle-dragging brutes sitting at home who decide that tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians need to be brutally murdered... yes, I see where you get your sense of moral superiority.
 
So glad the intellectuals, sitting here at home with a care less about what goes on in Afghanistan because it in no way effects their lives, know much better than the generals in the field as to what to do to win. Basicaly it's cut and run and let the Taliban rule, isn't it? Or is it more of the same slowly going down hill. More chewing gum for kids?

I think you're a straight shooter who thinks with his gut. We could use more people like you. You seem like the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with.

Presidential material for sure.
 
I think you're a straight shooter who thinks with his gut. We could use more people like you. You seem like the kind of guy I'd want to have a beer with.

Presidential material for sure.


Not until we know for sure that God told him to write the OP. :D
 
So glad the intellectuals, sitting here at home with a care less about what goes on in Afghanistan because it in no way effects their lives, know much better than the generals in the field as to what to do to win. Basicaly it's cut and run and let the Taliban rule, isn't it? Or is it more of the same slowly going down hill. More chewing gum for kids?

No, Tumbleweed. I have suggested nothing of the sort. But you have suggested using nuclear weapons against a nuclear power. You have refused to clarify your position on this point, despite being asked about it repeatedly. And as for knowing better than the generals, you will search in vain for a general who wants to use a neutron bomb (or any other kind of nuclear weapon) in the Af-Pak theater.
 

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