Merged Swine Flu Shot Not Like Eating a Hot Dog

[Deranged]

Swine Flu Hoax-We Are in Big Trouble.

http://politicolnews.com/h1n1-vaccine-raises-red-flags/

 

[BenBurch]

This fella seems to have some weird fascination with squalene. Notice the lack of citation...AGAIN.

Sometimes the NAME of a chemical sounds "evil" to some people. Therefore it must be bad despite all evidence to the contrary.

 

[Horatius]

Sigh.

How did the Swine Flu form, and why did the drug company apply for a patent over 1 year before the Swine flu was initiated in Mexico?

And here I was hoping we'd actually killed this nonsense, for once.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151515

 

[TokenMac]

You have two other threads about swine flu, we don't really need another.

 

[Stout]

Sometimes the NAME of a chemical sounds "evil" to some people. Therefore it must be bad despite all evidence to the contrary.

Betch I could run a numerology analysis on the name and get it to spit out NWO.

 

[Drudgewire]

If you can't trust a guy on a street corner with a crappy placard, who can you trust?

 

[shawmutt]

Squalene--the new thimerosal.

Deranged, how about some cites for the information you are giving so we can independently verify it? Doctors have been wrong before, as you point out. You can't go on about how doctors are wrong, yet your doctors are right. This is where the evidence comes in, and you have not provided the sources of your evidence.

 

[technoextreme]

http://www.rense.com/general87/blay2.htm

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

Might as well shot this argument down but squalene is found in olive oil and other foods. There is no mechanism by which you can differentiate between two molecules if their is no difference in molecular formula. Hence the body would have the same reaction to squalene that you eat and produce than to the stuff that is injected.

Squalene--the new thimerosal.

I have to say thank god. Its so much easier to shot down the squalene argument.

 

[Tricky]

Merged similar threads started by the same member. Please do not start multiple threads on the same topic.

Posted By: Tricky

 

[TjW]

http://www.rense.com/general87/blay2.htm

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

With regard to your link, here's some good health advice from my dentist:
"After you Rense, spit."

 

[Eos of the Eons]

OH... *GAG* it quoted... RENSE *vomit*

 

[AndyD]

I dealt with the issue of nasty chemicals in a blog post some time ago. In a separate post, I dealt with things that will hurt or kill you.

Now, at risk of looking like I've jumped on the anti-vax bandwagon, could someone please take a moment to address some questions I asked in another blog article a few days ago? My main concerns being differing advice on the need for pregnant women to get the H1N1 vaccine and the minimum age for vaccination.

Comment appreciated since if I've seriously misinterpreted something, I'd rather the article wasn't left out in public.

TIA.

 

[Capsid]

I dealt with the issue of nasty chemicals in a blog post some time ago. In a separate post, I dealt with things that will hurt or kill you.

Now, at risk of looking like I've jumped on the anti-vax bandwagon, could someone please take a moment to address some questions I asked in another blog article a few days ago? My main concerns being differing advice on the need for pregnant women to get the H1N1 vaccine and the minimum age for vaccination.

Comment appreciated since if I've seriously misinterpreted something, I'd rather the article wasn't left out in public.

TIA.

The problem is that the vaccine gets licensed based on clinical trials and pregnant women or young children are not normally recruited. So as a default it is not recommended in the information leaflet. But given that millions of doses are given each year (and the H1N1 vaccine is made in exactly the same way) some of those individuals may be pregnant unknowingly and there has been no pandemic of damaged foetuses associated with flu vaccination. For kids it's a little harder although I thought that children had been involved in clinical trials for the vaccine this time. But again millions of kids get the vaccine each year.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I dealt with the issue of nasty chemicals in a blog post some time ago. In a separate post, I dealt with things that will hurt or kill you.

Now, at risk of looking like I've jumped on the anti-vax bandwagon, could someone please take a moment to address some questions I asked in another blog article a few days ago? My main concerns being differing advice on the need for pregnant women to get the H1N1 vaccine and the minimum age for vaccination.

Comment appreciated since if I've seriously misinterpreted something, I'd rather the article wasn't left out in public.

TIA.

While the drug insert lists pregnancy as category C for influenza vaccine, influenza disease is a KNOWN significant risk. In addition, we have a lot of data indicating the vaccine is safe in pregnancy. Drug manufacturers are unlikely to invest in collecting and presenting that data to the FDA for approval to change the drug insert. Such a change is unlikely to change their vaccine marketing success by any appreciable amount.

But I as a provider can assess the research and draw a legit conclusion the vaccine risk is magnitudes less than the disease risk. Weighing risk vs benefit, it is prudent to take the greatly lesser risk of vaccine over the known risk of the disease.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The problem is that the vaccine gets licensed based on clinical trials and pregnant women or young children are not normally recruited. So as a default it is not recommended in the information leaflet. But given that millions of doses are given each year (and the H1N1 vaccine is made in exactly the same way) some of those individuals may be pregnant unknowingly and there has been no pandemic of damaged foetuses associated with flu vaccination. For kids it's a little harder although I thought that children had been involved in clinical trials for the vaccine this time. But again millions of kids get the vaccine each year.

That too.

 

[AndyD]

Thanks. I'll add that info tonight - or revise the whole article. Though it frustrates me that even though I'm pro-vaccine, I find myself questioning this one due to a lack of specific mass-market information.

 

[Riayn]

Thanks. I'll add that info tonight - or revise the whole article. Though it frustrates me that even though I'm pro-vaccine, I find myself questioning this one due to a lack of specific mass-market information.

Even though you are pro-vaccine there is nothing wrong or shameful about questioning a vaccine based on the information available. Nothing should be sacred and it is always a good idea to question everything until you are personally satisfied with the evidence provided.

 

[Cuddles]

Sometimes the NAME of a chemical sounds "evil" to some people. Therefore it must be bad despite all evidence to the contrary.

Although in this case I think "squalene" actually sounds rather cool. Where can I get some?

Even though you are pro-vaccine there is nothing wrong or shameful about questioning a vaccine based on the information available. Nothing should be sacred and it is always a good idea to question everything until you are personally satisfied with the evidence provided.

This is an important point. There is no doubt that vaccination in general is a great idea. However, it is certainly possible for individual vaccines to be harmful, or simply not worth the cost. Of course, any such claim needs to be backed up by actual evidence, rather than just wild claims that people have been maliciously filling up vaccines with tomatoes. Or was it diet coke? Something along those lines.

 

[Chris Haynes]

Although in this case I think "squalene" actually sounds rather cool. Where can I get some? ...

Your liver already makes it. Squalene is the precursor to cholesterol. One reason why it is such a silly claim that it is dangerous is that it is required for normal metabolism.

 

[Capsid]

I think part of the problem is that squalene is derived commercially from shark liver, so it must be bad.