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The Freeman Movement and England

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Especially said:
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Please just quote a case where someone has succesfully avoided paying council tax because in court they have claimed to have not consented to it being charged or just admit that you just have a nice little fantasy going.

C'mon Especially. Surely you yourself have been down this road, right? You've refused to consent to being taxed, gone to court and said the magic words and won, right? Where can we read the specifics of your case?
 
D'rok said:
I'll play.

Let's talk about the Council Tax. Can you cite an instance where a freeman has successfully withdrawn his/her consent to the Council Tax by appealing to the "Law of England" as you define it, where "successfully" means that a UK court has recognized the freeman's right to do so?
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I can do even better than that. I can show you the court case documents which show Council Tax being appealed against and withdrawn.

Read this stuff closely


http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.u...tax/218038-wirral-council-admits-council.html
 
Especially said:
Lothian,

Read this. ..............Ea
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Especially. Read this. I have read many QC opinions and found many to be persuasive that have crashed and burned in court. Similarly I have read many that I have found unconvincing which have sailed through.

I am not interested in legal argument. I want a UK legal decision which backs up your claims that statute does not apply to those who consider they have not consented to it.

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I want a case. If you don't have one, just admit it, I am sure we can still move on constructively.
 
uk_dave said:
Please just quote a case where someone has succesfully avoided paying council tax because in court they have claimed to have not consented to it being charged or just admit that you just have a nice little fantasy going.

C'mon Especially. Surely you yourself have been down this road, right? You've refused to consent to being taxed, gone to court and said the magic words and won, right? Where can we read the specifics of your case?
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Why not read this typical case ?


http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.u...tax/218038-wirral-council-admits-council.html

Now, ask yourself, what sort of society do you want ? A society which is able to consent or one which cannot ?
 
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Lothian said:
Especially. Read this. I have read many QC opinions and found many to be persuasive that have crashed and burned in court. Similarly I have read many that I have found unconvincing which have sailed through.

I am not interested in legal argument. I want a UK legal decision which backs up your claims that statute does not apply to those who consider they have not consented to it.

Summary

I want a case. If you don't have one, just admit it, I am sure we can still move on constructively.
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Lothian,

I gave you the handbook. Now you must learn to drive yourself.

www.NoCouncilTax.com

Consigning Council Tax To The History Books!

http://www.nocounciltax.com/?p=15
 
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Lothian said:
Especially is first in the queue to pay the man.
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I always comply with the Law. Because, Lothian, the law IS the law. And you should know what the law IS, and what it is not. You have CONSENT. (You are what it's all about. Your own personal sovereignty. Don't throw it away). Get used to it. It may shock you. But it's called 'freedom'. The alternative is NO CONSENT, DICTATORSHIP.

Right ?
 
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Especially said:
I always comply with the Law. Because, Lothian, the law IS the law. And you should know what the law IS, and what it is not. You have CONSENT. Get used to it. It may shock you. But it's called 'freedom'. The alternative is NO CONSENT, DICTATORSHIP.

Right ?
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So you've never used the magic words to avoid paying tax?
 
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You ARE going to make a positive contribution here, yes ?
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Are you? We've yet to see any cites of court cases that prove any of the points you've been trying to make. All of your verbal jujitsu doesn't mean a thing without proper evidence.
 
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I always comply with the Law. Because, Lothian, the law IS the law. And you should know what the law IS, and what it is not. You have CONSENT. (You are what it's all about. Your own personal sovereignty. Don't throw it away). Get used to it. It may shock you. But it's called 'freedom'. The alternative is NO CONSENT, DICTATORSHIP.

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But according to you statutes are not the Law. Do you pay statutory taxes?
 
uk_dave said:
So you've never used the magic words to avoid paying tax?
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You are so busy avoiding the law that you confuse it with statutes. And you honestly believe you are smarter than the law itself.

Well, great, go ahead. That's your choice.
 
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