The Freeman Movement and England

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I think it is appropriate at this juncture to quote our friend Bluekush623, who, in a victoriously stundilicious fashion, captured the essence of FOTL woo:

Bluekush623 said:
You guys are so caught up in the way the world is, you distant yourselves from truth and reality.
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Couldn't say it better yourself, eh Especially?
 
Especially,

I see. No, I really do.

Your arguments - and I use the term loosely - having been roundly rebuffed, your implicit suggestion that you're English proven wrong, and your inability to understand constitutional issues highlighted leads you to a position where you try to trade soundbites.

AAH, here we come.
 
Architect said:
And perhaps, just perhaps, you don't understand basic legal and constitutional issues.
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Really ? I understand the law of my country. I understand its Constitution. It's my duty to know it very well. Do you ?

Show us where your 'law' imposes a national income tax ? Can you do it ? Let's have your reply. I will stay online to see your 'law' which supports Council Tax. It does not exist. You've been conned.

Of course you can't. Because the truth is you don't understand basic legal and consitutional issues. You've no idea because you have become a compliant sheep of the system which is destroying your nation. And you cannot see beyond the corporate takeover. UK PLC.

'I promise to pay the bearer on demand' - scam !!

Ever tried to get Sterling for your currency recently ?
 
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Especially, would you say your philosophy differers from that of Robbie the Pict? If so, how?

We have pacifist groups who refuse to pay the portion of their taxes they judge to be hypothecated to defence spending. They often end up in jail. Their own web site warns potential members that they may end up in jail. How are these people going wrong?

Rolfe.
 
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Especially said:
Really ? I understand the law of my country. I understand its Constitution. It's my duty to know it very well. Do you ?
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Of your country? Of the USA? I have a passing knowledge.

Of my country? Of Scotland and the wider UK? Well yes, I clearly understand it a lot better than you.

Show us where your 'law' imposes a national income tax ? Can you do it ? Let's have your reply. I will stay online to see your 'law' which supports Council Tax. It does not exist. You've been conned.
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But you claim that all statute - and yes, the terms statute and law can be used interchangeably in the UK for the purposes of this discussion - is of no worth and hence any reference to such a law will, by your own bizarre legal interpretation, be unacceptable as proof.

Of course you can't. Because the truth is you don't understand basic legal and consitutional issues. You've no idea because you have become a compliant sheep of the system which is destroying your nation. And you cannot see beyond the corporate takeover.
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Says the man who apparently thinks England and the UK are the same thing...
 
Architect said:
Of your country? Of the USA? I have a passing knowledge.

Of my country? Of Scotland and the wider UK? Well yes, I clearly understand it a lot better than you.



But you claim that all statute - and yes, the terms statute and law can be used interchangeably in the UK for the purposes of this discussion - is of no worth and hence any reference to such a law will, by your own bizarre legal interpretation, be unacceptable as proof.



Says the man who apparently thinks England and the UK are the same thing...
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Spoken like a true Briton ! Who watches the TV while the entire sovereignty of your country is traded to Brussels without even a referendum. They LOVE you ! And your unelected dynasty rules over all those who meekly line up to swear allegiance to her feudal fiefdom.

It's hilarious ! And you want to export democracy to the rest of the world !! You are buffoons sinking in a vat of your own corruption.
 
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Especially said:
Spoken like a true Briton ! Who watches the TV while the entire sovereignty of your country is traded to Brussels without even a referendum. They LOVE you ! And your unelected dynasty rules over all those who meekly line up to swear allegiance to her feudal fiefdom.

It's hilarious ! And you want to export democracy to the rest of the world !! You are buffoons sinking in a vat of your own corruption.
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Indeed. Just not in the way you mean.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but has anyone on this thread except Especially said anything about England, Great Britain, the U.K., or any combination or subset thereof, exporting democracy?
 
Elizabeth I said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but has anyone on this thread except Especially said anything about England, Great Britain, the U.K., or any combination or subset thereof, exporting democracy?
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Er, yes, if I'm not mistaken the illegal invasion and occupation of both Iraq and Afghanistan are supposed to help provide them with democracy.

Why is it that the military industrial complexes of the USA and its poodle, the UK, try to teach others what they never learned themselves ?

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Never mind ! Fly the flag and pretend all is well !
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I thought you claimed the "English" flag (by which I assume you mean the St George Cross rather than the Union flag, given that you dodged all questions on the matter) was not permitted to be flown? You said quite clearly that the police would order it to be removed.

Surely you would not be advocating law-breaking?

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Arrest that child!
 
*Ahem*

The corrupt and evil judge locks you up for tax evasion, ignoring your magic Freeman words. You can make whatever choice you like, but given that this malicious agent of the Admiralty Court and his Jesuit Masonic Papal Puppetmasters in Parliament is, in fact, malicious, he will ignore it. Won't he?
 
jimbob said:
LightinDarkness,

Linkys, please?


They sound quite amusing....
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Unfortunately the specific example I cited, which I bookmarked, appears to have been deleted - which is very unfortunate. Because it was hilarious.

Nonetheless, FOTL woo forums are filled with examples along the lines. Here is a good read:
http://www.fmotl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=2302

Note that in this case the FOTL woo did everything that your supposed to. He refused to be addressed by Mr. (since in FOTL mythology Mr. relates to your legal strawman fiction and not flesh and blood human beings). He refused to stand/sit when asked (since doing so means you consent in FOTL mythology). He noticed the court with a barrage of FOTL legal documents which have no actual legal backing and are simply made up. And in the end, he was still ordered to pay council tax.

A sane human being would look at this sort of story and think that PERHAPS he lost because his arguments were based on woo that has no relationship to reality and that he should pay a tax he owes. But nope, not the FOTL woos, look at his conclusion:

So... in my opinion, the panel had either NOT considered my notice properly, OR thier legal advisor had said they'd get it granted on the basis of a
tenancy agreement (which, thinking about it: I did not give the court a copy - however, I believe the council had a copy as it was my landlord (Letting
Agent) who furnished the council with my details in the first place in order to set up the council tax account back in January when I moved here.)
In any case at least the court will be recieving an invoice for the order.
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Right - its not that FOTL woo has no basis in reality and that using it to make legal arguments results in you losing, the judges clearly just failed to consider his common law woo notice. And now he thinks hes going to be able to charge the court for complying with their order since its a "commercial transaction" - another part of FOTL mythology.
 
Ah, LashL - so good to see you in the thread. I was eagerly awaiting your legal smack down of our FOTL woo. An excellent job. Please stick around, this ones lively :)
 
One should be able to spot a FOTL council tax refusenik. They are the ones who hover above the ground, refusing to walk on the council-maintained roads and pavements.
 
LashL said:
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He is equally likely to consider sending you for a psychiatric evaluation.

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LashL, clearly he would only do that because he is NWO kitty, who is out to bring down the FOTL before they spread teh twoof! Real non-NWO kitty judges would of course find all Freeman innocent of all debts and charges since they said the right admiralty court legal words.

By the way, Horatius, this thread should provide you with enough fodder for the NWO comic strip for YEARS.
 
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